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Unseasonably stout wave in Caribbean bringing enhanced showers and tstorms for several days, but lacks model support for development 5/26
Days since last H. Landfall - US: Any 276 (Idalia) , Major: 276 (Idalia) Florida - Any: 276 (Idalia) Major: 276 (Idalia)
 


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Re: Bertha Stalls SSE of Bermuda, Watching Two Other Things
      Mon Jul 14 2008 05:43 AM

Mike~ I must disagree with your perception of 94L not having been seperated from the ITCZ. Though we do not have the luxury yet of visable pictures yet, it seems very evident to me that we have one large tropical cyclone with a dominant circulation. The overall circulation appears to me to be centered between 11-12N, and appears quite impressive on the JSL resolution.

With regard to those those concerned about anticipated "hype" relating to 94L, suffice it to say that when NHC claims a system may develop into a Tropical Depression at any time...., this often means "...we have a depression and lets get one more scat pass or some vis. sats to verify. I would also say that I do not see any inhibiting factors for what appears to be a fairly good size envelope/system to develop into a named storm within 24 hours. Beyond that, I am seeing differing and altering data on how strong this system might develop into, and also think too premature to speculate on that yet. With regards to potential motion and possible short term concerns......, it is not a stretch to say that some portion of the Lesser Antilies may well be threatened by some form of Tropical Storm ( or greater? ) conditions in the few days to come. 94L appears to be moving westward under a building mid level E. Atlantic ridge, and as most larger envelope systems go more westward, there does not seem to be any digging mid Atlantic troughs to break down the ridge in place. Only fly in the ointment could be T.S. Bertha, but it appears to be cut off from the westerlies and trapped in the very ridge, that should also keep 94L on a general 270-285 heading in the short term.

While the convection may wane in its intensity and not yet offer a consistant CDO, I would suggest that if a bursting process continues, this at minimum would seem to indicate slow falling surface pressures. I see no appearant upper level shear and outflow to the northwest to northeast quadrants do not appear inhibited at this time. I'll go out waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay out on a limb and guess 94L to be a named depression by 5:00pm Monday eve. ( though I would guess named Cristobal by sometime Monday night as well ).

(That indeed would be way out on a limb - we have only had a few model runs - most of them from the tropical suite - give it a chance to form first - initial model runs were initiated too far to the south.)

Edited by Ed Dunham (Mon Jul 14 2008 07:17 PM)

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* Bertha Near Bermuda, Watching Wave East of the Lesser Antilles Ed DunhamAdministrator Mon Jul 14 2008 05:43 AM
. * * Re: Bertha Stalls SSE of Bermuda, Watching Two Other Things cieldumort   Tue Jul 15 2008 07:58 AM
. * * Re: Bertha Stalls SSE of Bermuda, Watching Two Other Things scottsvb   Tue Jul 15 2008 06:41 AM
. * * Re: Bertha Stalls SSE of Bermuda, Watching Two Other Things LoisCane   Tue Jul 15 2008 04:57 AM
. * * Re: Bertha Stalls SSE of Bermuda, Watching Two Other Things scottsvb   Tue Jul 15 2008 03:49 AM
. * * Re: Bertha Stalls SSE of Bermuda, Watching Two Other Things weathernet   Tue Jul 15 2008 03:40 AM
. * * Re: Bertha Stalls SSE of Bermuda, Watching Two Other Things typhoon_tip   Tue Jul 15 2008 03:39 AM
. * * Re: Bertha Stalls SSE of Bermuda, Watching Two Other Things Hugh   Tue Jul 15 2008 12:22 AM
. * * Re: Bertha Stalls SSE of Bermuda, Watching Two Other Things typhoon_tip   Tue Jul 15 2008 12:13 AM
. * * Re: Bertha Stalls SSE of Bermuda, Watching Two Other Things LoisCane   Tue Jul 15 2008 12:07 AM
. * * Re: Bertha Stalls SSE of Bermuda, Watching Two Other Things Freezey   Tue Jul 15 2008 12:03 AM
. * * Re: Bertha Stalls SSE of Bermuda, Watching Two Other Things Hugh   Mon Jul 14 2008 11:54 PM
. * * Re: Bertha Stalls SSE of Bermuda, Watching Two Other Things metwannabe   Mon Jul 14 2008 11:41 PM
. * * Re: Bertha Stalls SSE of Bermuda, Watching Two Other Things typhoon_tip   Mon Jul 14 2008 11:41 PM
. * * Re: Bertha Stalls SSE of Bermuda, Watching Two Other Things Hugh   Mon Jul 14 2008 11:20 PM
. * * Re: Bertha Stalls SSE of Bermuda, Watching Two Other Things typhoon_tip   Mon Jul 14 2008 11:10 PM
. * * Re: Bertha Stalls SSE of Bermuda, Watching Two Other Things Hugh   Mon Jul 14 2008 10:55 PM
. * * Re: Bertha Stalls SSE of Bermuda, Watching Two Other Things MichaelA   Mon Jul 14 2008 10:23 PM
. * * Re: Bertha Stalls SSE of Bermuda, Watching Two Other Things xxflcyclonexx   Mon Jul 14 2008 09:12 PM
. * * Re: Bertha Stalls SSE of Bermuda, Watching Two Other Things doug   Mon Jul 14 2008 08:57 PM
. * * Re: Bertha Stalls SSE of Bermuda, Watching Two Other Things typhoon_tip   Mon Jul 14 2008 07:52 PM
. * * Re: Bertha Stalls SSE of Bermuda, Watching Two Other Things CDMOrlando   Mon Jul 14 2008 07:23 PM
. * * Re: Bertha Stalls SSE of Bermuda, Watching Two Other Things metwannabe   Mon Jul 14 2008 06:54 PM
. * * Re: Bertha Stalls SSE of Bermuda, Watching Two Other Things MikeCAdministrator   Mon Jul 14 2008 06:52 PM
. * * Re: Bertha Stalls SSE of Bermuda, Watching Two Other Things lawgator   Mon Jul 14 2008 06:51 PM
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. * * Re: Bertha Stalls SSE of Bermuda, Watching Two Other Things xxflcyclonexx   Mon Jul 14 2008 05:57 PM
. * * Re: Bertha Near Bermuda, Watching Wave East of the Lesser Antilles typhoon_tip   Mon Jul 14 2008 04:53 PM
. * * Re: Bertha Stalls SSE of Bermuda, Watching Two Other Things scottsvb   Mon Jul 14 2008 04:29 PM
. * * Re: Bertha Stalls SSE of Bermuda, Watching Two Other Things cieldumort   Mon Jul 14 2008 04:18 PM
. * * Re: Bertha Stalls SSE of Bermuda, Watching Two Other Things Cat 5orBust   Mon Jul 14 2008 03:11 PM
. * * Re: Bertha Stalls SSE of Bermuda, Watching Two Other Things doug   Mon Jul 14 2008 03:06 PM
. * * Re: Bertha Stalls SSE of Bermuda, Watching Two Other Things cieldumort   Mon Jul 14 2008 02:58 PM
. * * Re: Bertha Stalls SSE of Bermuda, Watching Two Other Things cieldumort   Mon Jul 14 2008 02:51 PM
. * * Re: Bertha Stalls SSE of Bermuda, Watching Two Other Things metwannabe   Mon Jul 14 2008 02:20 PM
. * * Re: Bertha Stalls SSE of Bermuda, Watching Two Other Things Sophie   Mon Jul 14 2008 02:04 PM
. * * Re: Bertha Stalls SSE of Bermuda, Watching Two Other Things LoisCane   Mon Jul 14 2008 01:39 PM
. * * Re: Bertha Stalls SSE of Bermuda, Watching Two Other Things Wingman51   Mon Jul 14 2008 12:45 PM
. * * Re: Bertha lurches towards Bermuda MikeCAdministrator   Mon Jul 14 2008 10:35 AM
. * * Re: Bertha lurches towards Bermuda cieldumort   Mon Jul 14 2008 09:10 AM
. * * Re: Bertha lurches towards Bermuda Freezey   Mon Jul 14 2008 09:03 AM
. * * Bertha lurches towards Bermuda cieldumort   Mon Jul 14 2008 07:47 AM
. * * Re: Bertha Stalls SSE of Bermuda, Watching Two Other Things Clark   Mon Jul 14 2008 07:14 AM
. * * Re: Bertha Stalls SSE of Bermuda, Watching Two Other Things weathernet   Mon Jul 14 2008 05:43 AM
. * * Bertha, 94L and the Bahamas danielwAdministrator   Mon Jul 14 2008 05:40 AM
. * * Re: Bertha Stalls SSE of Bermuda, Watching Two Other Things scottsvb   Mon Jul 14 2008 05:38 AM
. * * Re: Bertha Stalls SSE of Bermuda, Watching Two Other Things Freezey   Mon Jul 14 2008 05:33 AM
. * * Re: Bertha Stalls SSE of Bermuda, Watching Two Other Things cieldumort   Mon Jul 14 2008 05:25 AM
. * * Re: Bertha Stalls SSE of Bermuda, Watching Two Other Things MikeCAdministrator   Mon Jul 14 2008 03:56 AM
. * * Re: Bertha Stalls SSE of Bermuda, Watching Two Other Things cieldumort   Mon Jul 14 2008 03:04 AM
. * * Re: Bertha Stalls SSE of Bermuda, Watching Two Other Things craigm   Mon Jul 14 2008 03:01 AM
. * * Re: Bertha Stalls SSE of Bermuda, Watching Two Other Things Hugh   Mon Jul 14 2008 02:51 AM
. * * Re: Bertha Stalls SSE of Bermuda, Watching Two Other Things LoisCane   Mon Jul 14 2008 02:30 AM
. * * Re: Bertha Stalls SSE of Bermuda, Watching Two Other Things Freezey   Mon Jul 14 2008 02:09 AM
. * * Re: Bertha Stalls SSE of Bermuda, Watching Two Other Things hurricaneguy   Mon Jul 14 2008 02:02 AM
. * * Re: Bertha Stalls SSE of Bermuda, Watching Two Other Things Hugh   Mon Jul 14 2008 01:39 AM
. * * Re: Bertha Stalls SSE of Bermuda, Watching Two Other Things cieldumort   Mon Jul 14 2008 01:27 AM
. * * Re: Bertha Vortex Message ftlaudbob   Sun Jul 13 2008 11:59 PM
. * * Re: Bertha Vortex Message Hugh   Sun Jul 13 2008 11:48 PM
. * * Re: Bertha Vortex Message MikeCAdministrator   Sun Jul 13 2008 11:40 PM
. * * Re: Bertha Vortex Message Hugh   Sun Jul 13 2008 11:36 PM
. * * Re: Bertha Vortex Message cieldumort   Sun Jul 13 2008 10:18 PM
. * * Cristobal - "The Wave" weathernet   Sun Jul 13 2008 09:58 PM
. * * Re: Bertha Vortex Message LoisCane   Sun Jul 13 2008 09:45 PM
. * * Re: Bertha Vortex Message Hugh   Sun Jul 13 2008 06:01 PM
. * * Re: Bertha Vortex Message Rich B   Sun Jul 13 2008 06:01 PM
. * * Re: Bertha Vortex Message danielwAdministrator   Sun Jul 13 2008 05:52 PM
. * * Re: Bertha Vortex Message danielwAdministrator   Sun Jul 13 2008 05:48 PM
. * * Re: Bertha Vortex Message Hugh   Sun Jul 13 2008 05:36 PM
. * * Bertha Vortex Message danielwAdministrator   Sun Jul 13 2008 05:18 PM
. * * Re: trifecta Hugh   Sun Jul 13 2008 04:01 PM
. * * Re: trifecta scottsvb   Sun Jul 13 2008 02:39 PM
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. * * trifecta HanKFranK   Sun Jul 13 2008 01:41 PM
. * * Re: Bertha Stalls SSE of Bermuda stormchazer   Sun Jul 13 2008 10:23 AM
. * * Re: Bertha Stalls SSE of Bermuda typhoon_tip   Sat Jul 12 2008 11:37 PM
. * * Re: Bertha Stalls SSE of Bermuda Sophie   Sat Jul 12 2008 10:18 PM

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