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wxman007
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Some evening thoughts...
      Mon Aug 18 2008 08:45 PM

There seems to be quite a bit of worry about Fay this evening....let me address a few things...

1) There will not likely be any wholesale changes out of the 11pm package from NHC about the evolution of the future track. They generally don't mess with the late package very much, and will likely just refine their forecast, not make wholesale changes. There is really no reason for them to change very much right now..perhaps a slight shift to the east in the first 12-24 hrs, but the rest of the forecast is fairly sound at this point.

2) We are getting some excellent data right now from the Keys Nexrad, and you are seeing a strengthening TS doing what it does...the morphology of Fay is changing as the storm evolves, which is why you are seeing various motions, jogs, etc. You have to use average motions (ie, over 4-6 hrs) to get a true picture of what Fay is doing...don't worry about a jog to the east or west or whatever unless it lasts over 2-4 hours..then you can start to fret over a directional change.

3) in the same vein...the only reliable sats to use in center tracking are vis's...IR's can fool you, and WV is WORTHLESS (I say this every year...LOL). At this point you should only use radar and recon to determine where the center is.

There is going to be a LOT of study of Fay from a forecast performance standpoint. I am starting to think that the synoptic recon missions actually degraded the model performance, instead of enhancing it.

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Jason Kelley


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* Tropical Storm Fay Approaching Florida from the Southwest MikeCAdministrator Mon Aug 18 2008 08:45 PM
. * * Re: the cobra maneuver craigm   Tue Aug 19 2008 05:02 AM
. * * Re: the cobra maneuver Clark   Tue Aug 19 2008 03:03 AM
. * * Re: the cobra maneuver DebbiePSL   Tue Aug 19 2008 02:59 AM
. * * Re: the cobra maneuver dolfinatic   Tue Aug 19 2008 02:56 AM
. * * Re: the cobra maneuver Robert   Tue Aug 19 2008 02:04 AM
. * * Re: the cobra maneuver scottsvb   Tue Aug 19 2008 01:04 AM
. * * Re: the cobra maneuver Storm Hunter   Tue Aug 19 2008 01:04 AM
. * * Re: the cobra maneuver wxman007   Tue Aug 19 2008 12:53 AM
. * * Re: the cobra maneuver cieldumort   Tue Aug 19 2008 12:52 AM
. * * Re: the cobra maneuver MadDog   Tue Aug 19 2008 12:45 AM
. * * Re: the cobra maneuver wxman007   Tue Aug 19 2008 12:45 AM
. * * Re: the cobra maneuver dolfinatic   Tue Aug 19 2008 12:45 AM
. * * Re: the cobra maneuver StrmTrckrMiami   Tue Aug 19 2008 12:41 AM
. * * Re: the cobra maneuver wxman007   Tue Aug 19 2008 12:38 AM
. * * Re: the cobra maneuver Bev   Tue Aug 19 2008 12:37 AM
. * * Re: the cobra maneuver StrmTrckrMiami   Tue Aug 19 2008 12:21 AM
. * * Re: the cobra maneuver Colleen A.   Tue Aug 19 2008 12:16 AM
. * * Re: the cobra maneuver wxman007   Tue Aug 19 2008 12:12 AM
. * * Re: the cobra maneuver Colleen A.   Tue Aug 19 2008 12:07 AM
. * * Re: the cobra maneuver flanewscameraman   Mon Aug 18 2008 11:58 PM
. * * Re: the cobra maneuver StrmTrckrMiami   Mon Aug 18 2008 11:51 PM
. * * Re: the cobra maneuver kromdog   Mon Aug 18 2008 11:45 PM
. * * Re: the cobra maneuver Colleen A.   Mon Aug 18 2008 11:26 PM
. * * Re: the cobra maneuver kromdog   Mon Aug 18 2008 11:10 PM
. * * Re: the cobra maneuver metwannabe   Mon Aug 18 2008 10:52 PM
. * * Re: Some evening thoughts... StrmTrckrMiami   Mon Aug 18 2008 10:20 PM
. * * Re: Some evening thoughts... smorse22   Mon Aug 18 2008 10:13 PM
. * * Re: Some evening thoughts... scottsvb   Mon Aug 18 2008 10:12 PM
. * * Just a Friendly Reminder Colleen A.   Mon Aug 18 2008 10:11 PM
. * * Re: Some evening thoughts... Tropicbird   Mon Aug 18 2008 09:49 PM
. * * Re: Some evening thoughts... cieldumort   Mon Aug 18 2008 09:48 PM
. * * Re: Some evening thoughts... Colleen A.   Mon Aug 18 2008 09:44 PM
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. * * Re: Some evening thoughts... charlottefl   Mon Aug 18 2008 09:40 PM
. * * Re: Some evening thoughts... Lee-Delray   Mon Aug 18 2008 09:26 PM
. * * Re: Some evening thoughts... Colleen A.   Mon Aug 18 2008 09:26 PM
. * * Re: the cobra maneuver LDH892   Mon Aug 18 2008 09:25 PM
. * * Re: Some evening thoughts... Storm Hunter   Mon Aug 18 2008 09:18 PM
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. * * Re: Some evening thoughts... Storm Hunter   Mon Aug 18 2008 09:01 PM
. * * Re: Some evening thoughts... danielwAdministrator   Mon Aug 18 2008 08:48 PM
. * * the cobra maneuver HanKFranK   Mon Aug 18 2008 08:46 PM
. * * Some evening thoughts... wxman007   Mon Aug 18 2008 08:45 PM
. * * Re: Hurricane Fay West FL Jess   Mon Aug 18 2008 08:35 PM
. * * Re: Fay StrmTrckrMiami   Mon Aug 18 2008 08:32 PM
. * * Fay danielwAdministrator   Mon Aug 18 2008 08:27 PM
. * * Re: Tampa Forecast zacker20   Mon Aug 18 2008 08:22 PM
. * * Re: Tampa Forecast StrmTrckrMiami   Mon Aug 18 2008 08:20 PM
. * * Re: Hurricane Fay Storm Hunter   Mon Aug 18 2008 08:20 PM
. * * Tampa Forecast danielwAdministrator   Mon Aug 18 2008 08:13 PM
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. * * Re: Hurricane Fay Robert   Mon Aug 18 2008 08:06 PM
. * * Re: Tropical Storm Fay Approaching Florida from the South JMII   Mon Aug 18 2008 08:01 PM
. * * Re: Tropical Storm Fay Approaching Florida from the South zacker20   Mon Aug 18 2008 07:59 PM
. * * Re: Tropical Storm Fay Approaching Florida from the South West FL Jess   Mon Aug 18 2008 07:58 PM
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