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      Tue Sep 02 2008 02:10 PM

uh oh...., speaking of models, am curious to see if in light of the GFS now swinging more to the left with its 12Z run, if in fact the GFDL runs today will follow suit.

For the moment however, the latest NOGAPS ( as of 12Z today ) now shows Hanna closer and just off shore ( approx. 79W ? ) the greater Miami/Ft. Lauderdale area, and basically making landfall somewhere around W. Palm Beach, moving WNW'ward and sitting over Lake 'O in 66 hr's. This as well, is a swing to the left from both the 0Z and 6Z run. Of course, next run could be entirely the opposite.................. or greater confirmation of a possible trend to the left. More importantly, will wait and see if other models trend more westward or not.

My guess would have involved a more westward track in the short term, due to steering being controlled more by the lower levels. In fact, what "may" occur, might be this. NHC has duly been predicting a NW motion primarily caused by Hanna being at a point, where a large and strong 594mb mid level Atlantic ridge would be practically forcing a motion towards the NW. This high has been migrating westward across the Altantic, and will continue to do so, especially as a trough off Nova Scotia eventually pulls up and out of the picture. I believe that as such, the orientation of this mid level high would have already started impacting Hanna by now. However, perhaps either by northerly 200-300mb winds aloft ( which impact shear, and much less motion ), or simply because Hanna is simply somewhat more of a shallow system due to the very shear it is fighting, this very delay in the projected NW motion, even if by 12 or 24 hours, might just cause enough of a delay so that the orientation of the building W. Atlantic ridge, might just start filling over and north of Hanna enough, then rather than an outright NW motion to ensue, we might eventually start seeing a similar but more WNW motion instead. Almost as if a storm were rather "indented" into the lower left quadrant of a westward migrating ridge, rather than simply rounding the corner of it. If this theory were correct, than I would presume that once such a motion were to start, it might be fairly slow steady motion until once again, Hanna were to round the perifiery of the high, only then.....to turn more poleward.

This scenario, whether if exact or just causing the official forecast to be tweaked more westward, would seem to place Hanna too close to the lower Florida southeast coast than exact forecasting error would allow for error. Therefore, and purely assuming that model guidance does shift more westward, and more importantly, assuming that Hanna does track a little bit more west or WNW'ward......., I cannot help but imagine that Tropical Storm Watches would have to go up perhaps as early as late tonight for at least the Palm Beach coastline, and possibly even south from there. Naturally the longer any delay in Hanna's motion were to continue, than the the less likely Watches would be necessary until perhaps tommorrow.

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* Hanna Lounge weathernet Tue Sep 02 2008 02:10 PM
. * * Re: Concern scottsvb   Sun Aug 31 2008 10:36 PM
. * * Re: Concern saluki   Mon Sep 01 2008 01:21 AM
. * * Re: Concern cieldumort   Mon Sep 01 2008 07:29 AM
. * * Re: Concern Evan Johnson   Mon Sep 01 2008 10:50 AM
. * * Re: Concern craigm   Mon Sep 01 2008 11:06 AM
. * * Re: Concern Storm Hunter   Mon Sep 01 2008 01:15 PM
. * * Re: Concern Ed in Va   Mon Sep 01 2008 01:39 PM
. * * Re: Concern hurricane_run   Mon Sep 01 2008 01:42 PM
. * * Re: Concern Evan Johnson   Mon Sep 01 2008 02:22 PM
. * * Re: Concern ftlaudbob   Mon Sep 01 2008 02:30 PM
. * * Re: Concern MikeCAdministrator   Mon Sep 01 2008 05:05 PM
. * * Re: Concern Evan Johnson   Mon Sep 01 2008 05:14 PM
. * * Re: Concern JMII   Mon Sep 01 2008 05:39 PM
. * * Re: Concern Evan Johnson   Mon Sep 01 2008 08:04 PM
. * * Re: Concern scottsvb   Mon Sep 01 2008 08:43 PM
. * * Re: Concern metwannabe   Mon Sep 01 2008 09:22 PM
. * * Re: Concern JulieTampa   Mon Sep 01 2008 11:01 PM
. * * Re: Concern John C   Tue Sep 02 2008 08:43 AM
. * * Re: Concern metwannabe   Tue Sep 02 2008 08:54 AM
. * * Re: Concern JMII   Tue Sep 02 2008 09:02 AM
. * * Re: Concern mcgowanmc   Tue Sep 02 2008 11:10 AM
. * * Re: Concern LoisCane   Tue Sep 02 2008 10:16 AM
. * * Re: Concern Evan Johnson   Tue Sep 02 2008 08:22 AM
. * * Re: Concern scottsvb   Tue Sep 02 2008 10:30 AM
. * * Re: Concern metwannabe   Tue Sep 02 2008 10:41 AM
. * * Re: Concern weathernet   Tue Sep 02 2008 11:05 AM
. * * Re: Concern Evan Johnson   Tue Sep 02 2008 11:13 AM
. * * Re: Concern Lamar-Plant City   Tue Sep 02 2008 11:43 AM
. * * Re: Concern redlevel   Tue Sep 02 2008 03:08 PM
. * * Re: Concern weathernet   Tue Sep 02 2008 03:36 PM
. * * Re: Concern metwannabe   Tue Sep 02 2008 05:21 PM
. * * Re: Concern craigm   Tue Sep 02 2008 07:48 PM
. * * Re: Concern weathernet   Tue Sep 02 2008 06:23 PM
. * * Re: Concern metwannabe   Tue Sep 02 2008 08:07 PM
. * * Re: Concern scottsvb   Tue Sep 02 2008 08:52 PM
. * * Re: Concern metwannabe   Tue Sep 02 2008 11:14 PM
. * * Re: Concern scottsvb   Wed Sep 03 2008 12:09 AM
. * * Re: Concern JMII   Wed Sep 03 2008 08:17 AM
. * * Re: Concern LoisCane   Wed Sep 03 2008 08:27 AM
. * * Re: Concern Evan Johnson   Wed Sep 03 2008 09:29 AM
. * * Re: Concern Lamar-Plant City   Wed Sep 03 2008 12:26 PM
. * * Re: Concern LoisCane   Wed Sep 03 2008 01:23 PM
. * * Re: Concern Bev   Wed Sep 03 2008 02:17 PM
. * * Re: Concern JMII   Wed Sep 03 2008 01:42 PM
. * * Re: Concern LoisCane   Wed Sep 03 2008 02:41 PM
. * * Re: Concern ftlaudbob   Wed Sep 03 2008 05:13 PM
. * * Re: Concern metwannabe   Wed Sep 03 2008 08:38 PM
. * * Re: Concern MikeCAdministrator   Thu Sep 04 2008 08:03 AM
. * * Re: Concern John C   Thu Sep 04 2008 09:58 AM
. * * Re: Concern doug   Thu Sep 04 2008 10:21 AM
. * * Re: Concern LoisCane   Thu Sep 04 2008 11:28 AM
. * * Re: Concern doug   Thu Sep 04 2008 11:40 AM
. * * Re: Concern Bev   Thu Sep 04 2008 05:32 PM
. * * Re: Concern TPuppy   Fri Sep 05 2008 12:26 AM
. * * Beginnings syfr   Fri Sep 05 2008 07:39 PM
. * * Re: Concern Ed in Va   Thu Sep 04 2008 03:43 PM
. * * Re: Concern metwannabe   Thu Sep 04 2008 06:32 PM
. * * Re: Concern Ed in Va   Thu Sep 04 2008 11:33 AM
. * * Re: Concern uprlevlo   Tue Sep 02 2008 10:08 PM
. * * Re: Concern uprlevlo   Tue Sep 02 2008 10:10 PM
. * * Re: Concern saltysenior   Tue Sep 02 2008 07:52 PM
. * * Re: Concern OrlandoDan   Tue Sep 02 2008 06:20 PM
. * * Re: Concern Ed in Va   Tue Sep 02 2008 06:16 PM
. * * Re: Concern JMII   Tue Sep 02 2008 03:47 PM
. * * Re: Concern Joe   Tue Sep 02 2008 04:19 PM
. * * Re: Concern Patrick99   Tue Sep 02 2008 04:28 PM
. * * Re: Concern bahamaweather   Tue Sep 02 2008 04:09 PM
. * * Re: Concern LoisCane   Tue Sep 02 2008 12:51 PM
. * * Re: Concern weathernet   Tue Sep 02 2008 02:10 PM
. * * Re: Concern LoisCane   Tue Sep 02 2008 02:51 PM
. * * Re: Concern metwannabe   Tue Sep 02 2008 02:29 PM
. * * Re: Concern Evan Johnson   Tue Sep 02 2008 10:41 AM
. * * Re: Concern conuscaster   Mon Sep 01 2008 09:30 PM
. * * Re: Concern metwannabe   Mon Sep 01 2008 09:34 PM
. * * Re: Concern Hugh   Mon Sep 01 2008 08:37 PM
. * * Re: Concern Evan Johnson   Mon Sep 01 2008 08:53 PM
. * * Re: Concern scottsvb   Mon Sep 01 2008 02:29 PM
. * * Re: Concern ftlaudbob   Mon Sep 01 2008 01:42 PM
. * * Re: Hanna Lounge Crusadier95   Thu Aug 28 2008 04:32 PM
. * * Re: Hanna Lounge craigm   Thu Aug 28 2008 06:05 PM
. * * Re: Hanna Lounge Lee-Delray   Thu Aug 28 2008 05:12 PM
. * * Re: Hanna Lounge craigm   Thu Aug 28 2008 06:09 PM
. * * Re: Hanna Lounge metwannabe   Thu Aug 28 2008 08:42 PM
. * * Re: Hanna Lounge Storm Hunter   Thu Aug 28 2008 09:13 PM
. * * Re: Hanna Lounge saluki   Fri Aug 29 2008 01:10 AM
. * * Re: Hanna Lounge Evan Johnson   Fri Aug 29 2008 10:35 AM
. * * Re: Hanna Lounge hogrunr   Fri Aug 29 2008 09:21 PM
. * * Re: Hanna Lounge JMII   Sat Aug 30 2008 10:54 AM
. * * Re: Hanna Lounge craigm   Sat Aug 30 2008 12:43 PM
. * * Re: Hanna Lounge saluki   Sat Aug 30 2008 05:43 PM
. * * Re: Hanna Lounge native   Sat Aug 30 2008 05:53 PM
. * * Re: Hanna Lounge scottsvb   Sat Aug 30 2008 02:15 PM
. * * Re: Hanna Lounge Evan Johnson   Sat Aug 30 2008 05:17 PM
. * * Re: Hanna Lounge cjzydeco   Sat Aug 30 2008 05:56 PM
. * * Re: Hanna Lounge RevUp   Sun Aug 31 2008 02:22 PM
. * * Re: Hanna Lounge JMII   Sun Aug 31 2008 03:32 PM
. * * Re: Hanna Lounge Brent K.   Sun Aug 31 2008 05:49 PM
. * * Re: Hanna Lounge Storm Cooper   Sun Aug 31 2008 06:10 PM
. * * Re: Hanna Lounge Brent K.   Sun Aug 31 2008 06:23 PM
. * * Re: Hanna Lounge JulieTampa   Sun Aug 31 2008 07:07 PM
. * * Re: Hanna Lounge craigm   Sun Aug 31 2008 10:09 PM
. * * Re: Hanna Lounge Storm Cooper   Sun Aug 31 2008 07:31 PM
. * * Re: Hanna Lounge Storm Cooper   Sun Aug 31 2008 06:31 PM
. * * Re: Hanna Lounge scottsvb   Thu Aug 28 2008 10:56 PM
. * * Re: Hanna Lounge metwannabe   Thu Aug 28 2008 11:18 PM
. * * Re: T.D. 8 ftlaudbob   Thu Aug 28 2008 07:30 AM
. * * Re: T.D. 8 craigm   Thu Aug 28 2008 08:15 AM
. * * Re: T.D. 8 (Hanna) doug   Thu Aug 28 2008 09:24 AM
. * * Re: T.D. 8 (Hanna) craigm   Thu Aug 28 2008 11:35 AM
. * * Re: T.D. 8 (Hanna) insight   Sat Aug 30 2008 09:16 PM
. * * Re: T.D. 8 (Hanna) cjzydeco   Sun Aug 31 2008 11:36 AM
. * * Re: T.D. 8 (Hanna) Evan Johnson   Sun Aug 31 2008 11:50 AM
. * * Re: T.D. 8 (Hanna) native   Sun Aug 31 2008 12:32 PM
. * * Re: T.D. 8 (Hanna) Evan Johnson   Sun Aug 31 2008 01:12 PM
. * * Re: T.D. 8 (Hanna) CrisLrmr@aol.com   Thu Aug 28 2008 12:01 PM
. * * Re: T.D. 8 (Hanna) Evan Johnson   Thu Aug 28 2008 12:19 PM
. * * Re: T.D. 8 (Hanna) Ed in Va   Thu Aug 28 2008 12:29 PM
. * * Re: T.D. 8 (Hanna) metwannabe   Thu Aug 28 2008 12:34 PM
. * * Re: T.D. 8 (Hanna) StormHound   Thu Aug 28 2008 12:51 PM
. * * Re: T.D. 8 (Hanna) scottsvb   Thu Aug 28 2008 01:51 PM
. * * Re: T.D. 8 (Hanna) MichaelA   Thu Aug 28 2008 02:37 PM
. * * Re: T.D. 8 Evan Johnson   Thu Aug 28 2008 08:48 AM
. * * Re: T.D. 8 MikeCAdministrator   Thu Aug 28 2008 08:54 AM

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