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#93L now a small better defined circulation with deep convection set to come ashore N of Tampico, MX. Recon investigating. Still 40% odds.
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Hanna, Ike, Josephine - oh my
      Tue Sep 02 2008 04:48 PM

Hanna's quite the interesting storm -- atypical development, ingestion of an upper low, acquiring subtropical elements, prolonged intense convective burst in the face of Gustav-enhanced shear, and today weakening in the face of that shear. What changed today versus yesterday? Most likely the orientation of the shear and the location of a deformation axis, or area where winds come to an axis and "deform" in all directions on either side of it. Yesterday, it was in a highly diffluent area along the deformation axis, but today the upper trough along the east coast has dug a bit further south and pushed that axis away. Hanna is left in an area of weakened steering currents, waiting for the pattern to change slightly, only moving as the center continues to try to redevelop underneath the convection. Since the convection redevelops downshear, the center moves (or reforms) south. Eventually this will end and Hanna should move to the NW, paralleling or running along the FL east coast before landfall in the southeast US, but it's not going to end today.

Ike behind it is chugging along westward underneath a ridge that keeps progressing westward with it. As Ike nears Hanna, the pattern should begin to change and keep the two far enough apart from any significant interaction, but given the large size of Hanna's circulation it's not out of the realm of possibility that northerly shear from Hanna ends up impacting Ike, especially if Hanna moves slower than forecast. Otherwise, conditions appear fairly ripe for Ike with the NHC 11a discussion doing a great job of some of the factors at play. There is a bit of uncertainty in the long-range steering patterns, an uncertainty that only increases if Hanna doesn't start moving as it is possible that the storm could help lift Ike further northward. That's being discounted right now given the lack of evidence in the model forecasts, but it's not impossible.

Josephine's likely a fish. NHC package looks good there, with intensity leveling off in a couple of days as it nears cooler waters. Near-Africa waters in the Atlantic are running above normal for the first time in a few seasons, helping to fuel these storms so far east.

The next wave over Africa is very well organized already and stands a chance at developing in 2-3 days after moving over the open Atlantic. Several models suggest this to occur, developing a fairly intense storm for such easterly latitudes. While that is probably a bit over done, it's quite likely that we've got another storm to deal with before the end of the week. 'Tis the season for such activity -- and we're still over a week away from the peak of the season. Eventually we'll quiet down, but we probably have another week left in this run.

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* Josephine Forms in East Atlantic, Hanna Slowly Drifting, Ike Moving, West, Gustav Over Land MikeCAdministrator Tue Sep 02 2008 04:48 PM
. * * Re: Hanna, Ike, Josephine - oh my scottsvb   Wed Sep 03 2008 10:41 AM
. * * Re: Hanna, Ike, Josephine - oh my doug   Wed Sep 03 2008 08:21 AM
. * * Re: Hanna, Ike, Josephine - oh my LoisCane   Wed Sep 03 2008 07:53 AM
. * * Re: Hanna, Ike, Josephine - oh my shewtinstar   Wed Sep 03 2008 07:38 AM
. * * Re: Hanna, Ike, Josephine - oh my Raymond   Wed Sep 03 2008 03:56 AM
. * * Re: Hanna, Ike, Josephine - oh my Rich B   Wed Sep 03 2008 03:32 AM
. * * Hanna may have some characteristics that change the game today cieldumort   Wed Sep 03 2008 03:27 AM
. * * Re: Hanna, Ike, Josephine - oh my Raymond   Wed Sep 03 2008 03:05 AM
. * * Re: Hanna, Ike, Josephine - oh my Clark   Wed Sep 03 2008 02:45 AM
. * * Re: Hanna, Ike, Josephine - oh my scottsvb   Wed Sep 03 2008 12:17 AM
. * * Re: Hanna, Ike, Josephine - oh my JonB   Tue Sep 02 2008 11:57 PM
. * * Re: Hanna, Ike, Josephine - oh my lunkerhunter   Tue Sep 02 2008 11:06 PM
. * * Re: Hanna, Ike, Josephine - oh my RevUp   Tue Sep 02 2008 10:54 PM
. * * Re: can two systems actually collide? lunkerhunter   Tue Sep 02 2008 10:53 PM
. * * Re: can two systems actually collide? Myles   Tue Sep 02 2008 09:35 PM
. * * Re: can two systems actually collide? Lee-Delray   Tue Sep 02 2008 08:58 PM
. * * can two systems actually collide? vineyardsaker   Tue Sep 02 2008 08:53 PM
. * * Re: Hanna, Ike, Josephine - oh my Rasvar   Tue Sep 02 2008 08:46 PM
. * * Re: Hanna, Ike, Josephine - oh my shewtinstar   Tue Sep 02 2008 08:33 PM
. * * Re: Hanna, Ike, Josephine - oh my LoisCane   Tue Sep 02 2008 08:15 PM
. * * Re: Question on 5pm track engicedave   Tue Sep 02 2008 08:08 PM
. * * Re: Hanna, Ike, Josephine - oh my Bev   Tue Sep 02 2008 08:07 PM
. * * Re: Hanna, Ike, Josephine - oh my Hugh   Tue Sep 02 2008 07:59 PM
. * * Re: Hanna, Ike, Josephine - oh my Lee-Delray   Tue Sep 02 2008 07:57 PM
. * * Re: Hanna, Ike, Josephine - oh my Tammster   Tue Sep 02 2008 07:51 PM
. * * Re: Question on 5pm track Clark   Tue Sep 02 2008 07:50 PM
. * * Re: Hanna, Ike, Josephine - oh my Clark   Tue Sep 02 2008 07:47 PM
. * * Question on 5pm track Scott3294   Tue Sep 02 2008 07:43 PM
. * * Re: Hanna, Ike, Josephine - oh my Hugh   Tue Sep 02 2008 07:43 PM
. * * Re: Hanna, Ike, Josephine - oh my LoisCane   Tue Sep 02 2008 07:27 PM
. * * Re: Hanna, Ike, Josephine - oh my Tammster   Tue Sep 02 2008 06:34 PM
. * * Re: Hanna, Ike, Josephine - oh my craigm   Tue Sep 02 2008 06:05 PM
. * * Re: Hanna, Ike, Josephine - oh my vineyardsaker   Tue Sep 02 2008 05:14 PM
. * * Hanna, Ike, Josephine - oh my Clark   Tue Sep 02 2008 04:48 PM
. * * Re: Big Surprise!!!-Center of Hannah totally reformed Raymond   Tue Sep 02 2008 03:48 PM
. * * Re: Big Surprise!!!-Center of Hannah totally reformed Thunderbird12   Tue Sep 02 2008 02:36 PM
. * * Re: Big Surprise!!!-Center of Hannah totally reformed craigm   Tue Sep 02 2008 02:32 PM
. * * Re: Big Surprise!!!-Center of Hannah totally reformed craigm   Tue Sep 02 2008 02:22 PM
. * * Big Surprise!!!-Center of Hannah totally reformed Raymond   Tue Sep 02 2008 02:19 PM
. * * Re: TD#10 Forms in East Atlantic, Hanna Slowly Drifting, Ike Moving, West, Gustav Over Land native   Tue Sep 02 2008 12:50 PM
. * * Re: TD#10 Forms in East Atlantic, Hanna Slowly Drifting, Ike Moving, West, Gustav Over Land LoisCane   Tue Sep 02 2008 12:13 PM
. * * Re: TD#10 Forms in East Atlantic, Hanna Slowly Drifting, Ike Moving, West, Gustav Over Land Steve H1   Tue Sep 02 2008 12:00 PM
. * * Re: TD#10 Forms in East Atlantic, Hanna Slowly Drifting, Ike Moving, West, Gustav Over Land Lee-Delray   Tue Sep 02 2008 11:49 AM
. * * Re: TD#10 Forms in East Atlantic, Hanna Slowly Drifting, Ike Moving, West, Gustav Over Land scottsvb   Tue Sep 02 2008 11:22 AM
. * * Josephine forms ftlaudbob   Tue Sep 02 2008 11:20 AM
. * * Re: TD#10 Forms in East Atlantic, Hanna Slowly Drifting, Ike Moving, West, Gustav Over Land craigm   Tue Sep 02 2008 11:05 AM
. * * Re: TD#10 Forms in East Atlantic, Hanna Slowly Drifting, Ike Moving, West, Gustav Over Land PFSThunder   Tue Sep 02 2008 10:49 AM
. * * Re: TD#10 Forms in East Atlantic, Hanna Slowly Drifting, Ike Moving, West, Gustav Over Land Patrick99   Tue Sep 02 2008 10:37 AM
. * * Re: TD#10 Forms in East Atlantic, Hanna Slowly Drifting, Ike Moving, West, Gustav Over Land LoisCane   Tue Sep 02 2008 10:13 AM
. * * Re: TD#10 Forms in East Atlantic, Hanna Slowly Drifting, Ike Moving, West, Gustav Over Land weathernet   Tue Sep 02 2008 09:54 AM
. * * Re: TD#10 Forms in East Atlantic, Hanna Slowly Drifting, Ike Moving, West, Gustav Over Land Random Chaos   Tue Sep 02 2008 09:45 AM
. * * Re: TD#10 Forms in East Atlantic, Hanna Slowly Drifting, Ike Moving, West, Gustav Over Land Raymond   Tue Sep 02 2008 09:24 AM
. * * Re: TD#10 Forms in East Atlantic, Hanna Slowly Drifting, Ike Moving, West, Gustav Over Land craigm   Tue Sep 02 2008 09:18 AM
. * * Re: TD#10 Forms in East Atlantic, Hanna Slowly Drifting, Ike Moving, West, Gustav Over Land MikeCAdministrator   Tue Sep 02 2008 09:08 AM
. * * Re: TD#10 Forms in East Atlantic, Hanna Slowly Drifting, Ike Moving, West, Gustav Over Land Colleen A.   Tue Sep 02 2008 08:56 AM
. * * Re: TD#10 Forms in East Atlantic, Hanna Slowly Drifting, Ike Moving, West, Gustav Over Land John C   Tue Sep 02 2008 08:52 AM
. * * Re: TD#10 Forms in East Atlantic, Hanna Slowly Drifting, Ike Moving, West, Gustav Over Land metwannabe   Tue Sep 02 2008 08:47 AM

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