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Re: Alex Continues Toward The WNW
      Sun Jun 27 2010 11:06 AM

Stolen from hurricantrack.com's facebook page from last night:



Here is what our colleague Mike Watkins had to say about it all on Storm2k.org this evening: Mark and I were talking today about that giant low that develops in the GFS that runs up the coast like a summer nor'easter later in the week. After thinking about this today, I think the GFS is simply having trouble dealing with all of the heat in this region, so it's creating a feedback low in the Gulf of Mexico.... See More Looking for confirmation on this thinking, I checked the Wilmington NWS AFD, since they would have to deal with this system, and here's what they said: Quote: GFS DEVELOPS A FEEDBACK LOW ALONG THE GULF COAST WHICH IT THEN MOVES EAST ACROSS FL AND UP THE SOUTHEAST COAST. PARALLEL GFS DOES NOT SHOW THIS LOW...FURTHER ADDING CONFIDENCE THAT THE FEATURE WILL NOT EXIST. The GFS has never handled heat like this very well, and I think the problem with the 18Z gfs and the other models that feed from it (HWRF and GFDL to name a couple) is this: The "feedback low" is busting out just enough of the Gulf ridge at 500mb. This allows steering north of Alex (in the model) to break down enough to let Alex catch the trough coming through. Oh, there's no doubt that trough is going to come through, but odds of it digging Alex out on it's own are slim, Alex is too far south and it's almost July. So...the GFS gives the trough help with it's famous create-a-storm feature. Seriously, watch this nonsense in the 500MB loop: http://www.nco.ncep.noaa.gov/pmb/nwprod ... loop.shtml If you really, really want to see if the GFS is on the right track, look for unusual development of some sort of deep-layer low pressure system in the NE Gulf in 2-3 days. If this feature shows up, then maybe GFS scores a coup. However, I think the GFS can't handle the heat properly, creates a phantom system, and pulls Alex up incorrectly.

Then as noted in a later discussion...there is an upper level low coming into play in East Texas as we speak.

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* Tropical Storm Alex Now in Gulf MikeCAdministrator Sun Jun 27 2010 11:06 AM
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. * * Re: Alex Continues Toward The WNW MikeCAdministrator   Sun Jun 27 2010 10:40 PM
. * * Re: Alex Continues Toward The WNW Hugh   Sun Jun 27 2010 10:35 PM
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. * * Re: Alex Continues Toward The WNW mwillis   Sun Jun 27 2010 09:39 PM
. * * Re: Alex Continues Toward The WNW Storm Hunter   Sun Jun 27 2010 09:35 PM
. * * Re: Alex Continues Toward The WNW Storm Hunter   Sun Jun 27 2010 09:16 PM
. * * Re: Alex Continues Toward The WNW Hugh   Sun Jun 27 2010 09:07 PM
. * * Re: Alex Continues Toward The WNW TheOtherRick   Sun Jun 27 2010 09:06 PM
. * * Re: Alex Continues Toward The WNW WeatherNut   Sun Jun 27 2010 08:56 PM
. * * Re: Alex Continues Toward The WNW Storm Hunter   Sun Jun 27 2010 08:56 PM
. * * Re: Alex Continues Toward The WNW Storm Hunter   Sun Jun 27 2010 08:41 PM
. * * Re: Alex Continues Toward The WNW typhoon_tip   Sun Jun 27 2010 08:38 PM
. * * Re: Alex Continues Toward The WNW typhoon_tip   Sun Jun 27 2010 08:33 PM
. * * convection firing 360 SeaMule   Sun Jun 27 2010 08:20 PM
. * * Re: Tropical Storm Alex Landfalls in Belize Storm Hunter   Sun Jun 27 2010 08:14 PM
. * * Re: Tropical Storm Alex Landfalls in Belize Hugh   Sun Jun 27 2010 08:02 PM
. * * Re: Tropical Storm Alex Landfalls in Belize Storm Hunter   Sun Jun 27 2010 08:01 PM
. * * Re: Alex Continues Toward The WNW Ed DunhamAdministrator   Sun Jun 27 2010 08:01 PM
. * * Re: Tropical Storm Alex Landfalls in Belize Storm Hunter   Sun Jun 27 2010 07:54 PM
. * * Re: Tropical Storm Alex Landfalls in Belize WeatherNut   Sun Jun 27 2010 07:51 PM
. * * Re: zoom in on the RGB Storm Hunter   Sun Jun 27 2010 07:51 PM
. * * zoom in on the RGB SeaMule   Sun Jun 27 2010 07:39 PM
. * * Re: Alex Continues Toward The WNW Hugh   Sun Jun 27 2010 07:31 PM
. * * Re: Alex Continues Toward The WNW Ed DunhamAdministrator   Sun Jun 27 2010 07:23 PM
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. * * Re: Alex Continues Toward The WNW Ed DunhamAdministrator   Sun Jun 27 2010 05:38 PM
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. * * Re: Alex Continues Toward The WNW danielwAdministrator   Sun Jun 27 2010 02:39 PM
. * * Re: TS Alex typhoon_tip   Sun Jun 27 2010 02:38 PM
. * * Re: Alex Continues Toward The WNW danielwAdministrator   Sun Jun 27 2010 12:48 PM
. * * Re: Alex Continues Toward The WNW the analyst   Sun Jun 27 2010 12:37 PM
. * * Re: Alex Continues Toward The WNW WeatherNut   Sun Jun 27 2010 12:28 PM
. * * Re: Alex Continues Toward The WNW mcgowanmc   Sun Jun 27 2010 12:20 PM
. * * Re: Alex Continues Toward The WNW hogrunr   Sun Jun 27 2010 11:06 AM
. * * Re: Alex Continues Toward The WNW danielwAdministrator   Sun Jun 27 2010 11:00 AM
. * * Re: Alex Continues Toward The WNW stormtiger   Sun Jun 27 2010 10:52 AM
. * * Re: Alex Continues Toward The WNW hogrunr   Sun Jun 27 2010 10:48 AM
. * * Alex Continues Toward The WNW Ed DunhamAdministrator   Sun Jun 27 2010 10:41 AM
. * * forecast SeaMule   Sun Jun 27 2010 09:54 AM
. * * Re: TS Alex danielwAdministrator   Sun Jun 27 2010 09:10 AM
. * * Re: TS Alex MikeCAdministrator   Sun Jun 27 2010 08:45 AM
. * * Re: TS Alex MikeCAdministrator   Sun Jun 27 2010 08:03 AM
. * * TS Alex danielwAdministrator   Sun Jun 27 2010 07:20 AM
. * * Re: TD1 Upgraded to TS Alex as of 5 am ET Storm Hunter   Sun Jun 27 2010 07:04 AM
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. * * Re: Tropical Storm Alex nears Landfall in Belize cieldumort   Sat Jun 26 2010 04:58 PM
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. * * TD1 Upgraded to TS Alex as of 5 am ET berrywr   Sat Jun 26 2010 05:13 AM
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