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Unseasonably stout wave in Caribbean bringing enhanced showers and tstorms for several days, but lacks model support for development 5/26
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frances issues, etc
      Thu Aug 26 2004 02:51 AM

quick note on td2/bonnie: td 6/7 last year is an example of a similar occurrence.. not as much lag time between closed systems this time, nor did the system become quite as indistinct.. but you may have noticed the system we're currently on, frances.. was td 6. very simple logic follows.. the nhc has operationally regarded bonnie as a td 2 reincarnation.
frances is tending a bit left of my previous thought track. i've been on to this no-quick-out-recurvature line for a few days now, finally there's enough model support that the official line is just that.. but of course there's always a chance frances can still find some bizarre way to recurve.
but i'm not going with that. speed up the official, have a more pronounced stair step and an intensity cough in the track for the weekend.. and you have my philosophy.. frances will turn nw and slow for a time in response to the ridge weakness, miss the islands, negotiate some shear, and then turn left and probably accelerate westward next week. i keep hearing references to andrew.. can only blink at that. i'm thinking more of a floyd situation, because i don't expect there to be enough ridge near the east coast late next week for frances to come barreling across florida. always safer to bet on wilmington or morehead city north carolina.. something like that. really no idea at this point, because gfs is what i'm going by and i know gfs takes a few days to feel out the pattern and get the wavelengths/speed/amplitudes close enough to make educated guesses on. right now it's still a shot in the dark.. at a target that is for now distant. timetable for arrival, if it makes it across.. is around saturday the 4th. this would fairly well teleconnect with typhoon chaba smacking japan in a couple days time.
closer in to home, getting a better feel for the disturbance off the southeast coast. it isn't in a rush to develop, but won't be going much of anywhere until the weekend.. time is still on it's side. low level convergence is too weak to jam a low together, it's going to live or die on whether a convective flare can get an embryonic center started. there is decent ridging aloft.. mid/upper low peeling away into the gulf is enhancing it for now. disturbed weather also trying to focus away east near bermuda.. but i'm going to stick with the area east of jacksonville, near 80w. give or take 50 miles i think that's the place.
new wave skipping merrily off the african coast, and gfs is showing some development by early next week on it.. so will stay appraised.
minor feature.. weak trough near 26/52 sliding westward... nearing the mid oceanic trough. a convective burst could modify this small feature in a heartbeat.. but very low potential.
that's the line for now. frances is getting retired, one way or another... those folks may have jinxed us.
HF 0251z26august

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* TD #6 Becomes Tropical Storm Frances Ed DunhamAdministrator Thu Aug 26 2004 02:51 AM
. * * Re: Tropical Strom Frances tornado00   Thu Aug 26 2004 06:52 PM
. * * Re: Tropical Strom Frances Keith234   Thu Aug 26 2004 06:57 PM
. * * Re: Tropical Strom Frances tornado00   Thu Aug 26 2004 07:17 PM
. * * Tropical Storm Frances seems to be getting organized Cocoa Beach   Thu Aug 26 2004 03:01 PM
. * * thoughts on 11am discussion bobbi   Thu Aug 26 2004 03:11 PM
. * * Frontal Boundary zacros   Thu Aug 26 2004 03:33 PM
. * * Re: Frontal Boundary Keith234   Thu Aug 26 2004 04:57 PM
. * * Re: Frontal Boundary LI Phil   Thu Aug 26 2004 05:22 PM
. * * Re: Frontal Boundary Keith234   Thu Aug 26 2004 06:33 PM
. * * Re: Frontal Boundary Ed in Va   Thu Aug 26 2004 06:51 PM
. * * Hurricane Frances James88   Thu Aug 26 2004 06:53 PM
. * * Re: Hurricane Frances WeatherNLU   Thu Aug 26 2004 07:48 PM
. * * 20/60 line bobbi   Thu Aug 26 2004 07:59 PM
. * * Re: 20/60 line Ed in Va   Thu Aug 26 2004 08:04 PM
. * * Re: 20/60 line Clark   Thu Aug 26 2004 08:26 PM
. * * Re: 20/60 line rmbjoe1954   Thu Aug 26 2004 08:08 PM
. * * Information on models LI Phil   Thu Aug 26 2004 08:40 PM
. * * Re: Information on models rmbjoe1954   Thu Aug 26 2004 08:51 PM
. * * Re: 20/60 line Keith234   Thu Aug 26 2004 08:27 PM
. * * Re: HURRICANE FRANCES LONNY307   Thu Aug 26 2004 08:38 PM
. * * Hurricane frances Bruce   Thu Aug 26 2004 08:37 PM
. * * Re: 20/60 line Ed in Va   Thu Aug 26 2004 08:22 PM
. * * Re: Hurricane Frances rmbjoe1954   Thu Aug 26 2004 07:53 PM
. * * Re: Hurricane Frances Storm Cooper   Thu Aug 26 2004 07:12 PM
. * * talk about stair step motion movement... bobbi   Thu Aug 26 2004 07:17 PM
. * * Re: talk about stair step motion movement... Keith234   Thu Aug 26 2004 07:21 PM
. * * Re: talk about stair step motion movement... WeatherNLU   Thu Aug 26 2004 07:44 PM
. * * no... dont think so bobbi   Thu Aug 26 2004 07:58 PM
. * * Re: talk about stair step motion movement... SirCane   Thu Aug 26 2004 07:37 PM
. * * Re: Frontal Boundary Todd   Thu Aug 26 2004 05:40 PM
. * * Re: Frontal Boundary zacros   Thu Aug 26 2004 08:57 PM
. * * Re: Frontal Boundary DMFischer   Thu Aug 26 2004 09:22 PM
. * * Frances rmbjoe1954   Thu Aug 26 2004 09:55 PM
. * * NEW THREAD LI Phil   Thu Aug 26 2004 09:57 PM
. * * cat 5 possibilities with this one..... rickonboat   Thu Aug 26 2004 09:29 PM
. * * Re: cat 5 possibilities with this one..... Steve hirschb.   Thu Aug 26 2004 09:43 PM
. * * Carolinas system Rabbit   Thu Aug 26 2004 09:56 PM
. * * Charlotte Radar LI Phil   Thu Aug 26 2004 09:38 PM
. * * Um.. LI Phil   Thu Aug 26 2004 09:09 PM
. * * Re: Um.. Keith234   Thu Aug 26 2004 09:24 PM
. * * Re: Um.. redbird   Sun Aug 29 2004 09:42 PM
. * * Re: Um.. ticka1   Thu Aug 26 2004 09:18 PM
. * * Re: Frontal Boundary LI Phil   Thu Aug 26 2004 06:05 PM
. * * Re: Frontal Boundary Ed in Va   Thu Aug 26 2004 03:37 PM
. * * 11pm Clark   Thu Aug 26 2004 02:31 AM
. * * Re: 11pm WeatherNLU   Thu Aug 26 2004 04:35 AM
. * * Re: 11pm Matt033   Thu Aug 26 2004 05:21 AM
. * * good post Matt LoisCane   Thu Aug 26 2004 12:57 PM
. * * Re: good post Matt Hurric   Thu Aug 26 2004 01:34 PM
. * * Re: good post Matt Ed in Va   Thu Aug 26 2004 01:59 PM
. * * Re: good post Matt Larry   Thu Aug 26 2004 02:24 PM
. * * Re: good post Matt Keith234   Thu Aug 26 2004 02:31 PM
. * * Re: good post Matt scottsvb   Thu Aug 26 2004 02:37 PM
. * * Frances still a TS at 11:00 LI Phil   Thu Aug 26 2004 02:46 PM
. * * Re: Frances still a TS at 11:00 Clark   Thu Aug 26 2004 04:01 PM
. * * Some dry air ahead... LI Phil   Thu Aug 26 2004 04:26 PM
. * * for Phil especially and others bobbi   Thu Aug 26 2004 06:15 PM
. * * Re: Some dry air ahead... Keith234   Thu Aug 26 2004 04:44 PM
. * * Re: Frances still a TS at 11:00 EriktheFled   Thu Aug 26 2004 04:25 PM
. * * Re: good post Matt Keith234   Thu Aug 26 2004 02:44 PM
. * * Re: good post Matt Hardcore   Thu Aug 26 2004 02:28 PM
. * * Re: good post Matt bobbi   Thu Aug 26 2004 01:58 PM
. * * Re: 11pm James88   Thu Aug 26 2004 07:26 AM
. * * Interesting WXMAN RICHIE   Thu Aug 26 2004 09:23 AM
. * * Re: Interesting Keith234   Thu Aug 26 2004 12:18 PM
. * * Re: Tropical Depression #6 Forms in Eastern Atlantic rcs_satbch   Wed Aug 25 2004 10:28 PM
. * * Re: Tropical Depression #6 Forms in Eastern Atlantic Rabbit   Wed Aug 25 2004 11:43 PM
. * * Re: Tropical Depression #6 Forms in Eastern Atlantic Keith234   Wed Aug 25 2004 11:57 PM
. * * Re: Tropical Depression #6 Forms in Eastern Atlantic LI Phil   Thu Aug 26 2004 01:53 AM
. * * Re: Tropical Depression #6 Forms in Eastern Atlantic Anon   Thu Aug 26 2004 01:22 PM
. * * Re: Tropical Depression #6 Forms in Eastern Atlantic Keith234   Thu Aug 26 2004 02:27 AM
. * * Re: Tropical Depression #6 Forms in Eastern Atlantic LoisCane   Thu Aug 26 2004 02:09 AM
. * * frances issues, etc HanKFranK   Thu Aug 26 2004 02:51 AM
. * * Re: Tropical Depression #6 Forms in Eastern Atlantic Keith234   Wed Aug 25 2004 11:40 PM
. * * Re: Tropical Depression #6 Forms in Eastern Atlantic Hurric   Wed Aug 25 2004 10:53 AM
. * * Re: Tropical Depression #6 Forms in Eastern Atlantic Anonymous   Wed Aug 25 2004 12:03 PM
. * * Re: Tropical Depression #6 Forms in Eastern Atlantic bobbi   Wed Aug 25 2004 12:32 PM
. * * Re: Tropical Depression #6 Forms in Eastern Atlantic Keith234   Wed Aug 25 2004 12:46 PM
. * * Not that impressive at the moment Frank P   Wed Aug 25 2004 01:37 PM
. * * Re: Not that impressive at the moment Cycloneye   Wed Aug 25 2004 01:45 PM
. * * Re: Not that impressive at the moment joepub1   Wed Aug 25 2004 02:22 PM
. * * JoePub! LI Phil   Wed Aug 25 2004 02:29 PM
. * * Re: JoePub! Anonymous   Wed Aug 25 2004 02:38 PM
. * * Frances at 11:00? LI Phil   Wed Aug 25 2004 02:20 PM
. * * Re: Frances at 11:00? joepub1   Wed Aug 25 2004 02:37 PM
. * * Re: Frances at 11:00? Anonymous   Wed Aug 25 2004 02:38 PM
. * * Re: Frances at 11:00? Anonymous   Wed Aug 25 2004 02:39 PM
. * * Re: Frances at 11:00? joepub1   Wed Aug 25 2004 02:44 PM
. * * Re: Frances at 11:00? Fred   Wed Aug 25 2004 05:59 PM
. * * Re: Frances at 11:00? Anonymous   Wed Aug 25 2004 02:50 PM
. * * Re: Frances at 11:00? Anonymous   Wed Aug 25 2004 02:53 PM
. * * Re: Frances at 11:00? caneman   Wed Aug 25 2004 03:37 PM
. * * Spin off Fla LI Phil   Wed Aug 25 2004 03:49 PM
. * * Re: Spin off Fla rcs_satbch   Wed Aug 25 2004 10:22 PM
. * * Re: Spin off Fla Hurric   Wed Aug 25 2004 05:39 PM
. * * Re: Spin off Fla alan   Wed Aug 25 2004 06:05 PM
. * * Re: Spin off Fla Anonymous   Wed Aug 25 2004 06:39 PM
. * * Re: Spin off Fla ticka1   Wed Aug 25 2004 06:41 PM
. * * Re: Spin off Fla Steve   Wed Aug 25 2004 07:15 PM
. * * Frances at 5pm no doubt about it Hardcore   Wed Aug 25 2004 07:32 PM
. * * Re: Frances at 5pm no doubt about it Anonymous   Wed Aug 25 2004 08:23 PM
. * * Re: Frances at 5pm no doubt about it matt0033   Wed Aug 25 2004 09:11 PM
. * * More left each run LoisCane   Wed Aug 25 2004 10:17 PM
. * * ominous words in that discussion LoisCane   Wed Aug 25 2004 10:21 PM
. * * Re: Frances at 5pm no doubt about it *DELETED* Anonymous   Wed Aug 25 2004 09:01 PM
. * * Re: Frances at 5pm no doubt about it LONNY307   Wed Aug 25 2004 09:13 PM
. * * TWO THINGS LI Phil   Wed Aug 25 2004 09:09 PM
. * * Re: TWO THINGS caneman   Wed Aug 25 2004 09:14 PM
. * * Re: TWO THINGS HanKFranK   Wed Aug 25 2004 09:50 PM
. * * Re: TWO THINGS caneman   Thu Aug 26 2004 09:36 AM
. * * Re: TWO THINGS Steve hirschb.   Wed Aug 25 2004 09:47 PM
. * * Re: Frances at 5pm no doubt about it Anonymous   Wed Aug 25 2004 08:34 PM
. * * Re: Frances LONNY307   Wed Aug 25 2004 08:54 PM
. * * JB Midday LI Phil   Wed Aug 25 2004 07:29 PM
. * * None of the Bouys are reporting Data Cocoa Beach   Wed Aug 25 2004 04:36 PM
. * * Re: None of the Bouys are reporting Data troy   Wed Aug 25 2004 04:50 PM
. * * TD6 Rabbit   Wed Aug 25 2004 04:11 PM
. * * TD6? rmbjoe1954   Wed Aug 25 2004 04:19 PM
. * * Re: Tropical Depression #6 Forms in Eastern Atlantic 1234   Wed Aug 25 2004 05:00 AM
. * * Re: Tropical Depression #6 Forms in Eastern Atlantic Rabbit   Wed Aug 25 2004 08:00 AM
. * * Re: Tropical Depression #6 Forms in Eastern Atlantic LadyStorm   Wed Aug 25 2004 09:37 AM

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