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Terra
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Loc: Kingwood, Texas

Overall Water Vapor
Fri Sep 10 2004 04:03 PM

I am trying to understand the possible steering of the ridge in the Atlantic. Looking at the western Atlantic WV loop:
http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/PS/TROP/DATA/RT/watl-wv-loop.html

it seems to my untrained eye, that as it pushes in, it will discourage the northern turn of Ivan. If I look at the GOM loop:
http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/PS/TROP/DATA/RT/gmex-wv-loop.html

it seems as the western ridge is larger and more powerful.

But, the northwest Atlantic loop is the easiest to visualize (since it shows both high pressure systems), but still isn't great as Ivan isnt showing up yet:
http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/PS/TROP/DATA/RT/nwatl-wv-loop.html

What I see every time I look at these is the two ridges converging and narrowing the trough. But, it looks like the trough is being pushed more from the Atlantic ridge than it is being affected by the western ridge (watch the southern tip of Florida as the loop progresses). Am I seeing things, or doesn't it look like the trough will be further west than expected?

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Hurricane Ivan Paths	MikeC	Fri Sep 10 2004 04:03 PM
Re: Hurricane Ivan Paths	SkeetoBite	Fri Sep 10 2004 01:49 PM
Re: Hurricane Ivan Paths	RobNYJ	Fri Sep 10 2004 11:22 AM
Re: Hurricane Ivan Paths	Eric_in_SC	Fri Sep 10 2004 11:48 AM
Re: Hurricane Ivan Paths	jth	Fri Sep 10 2004 11:57 AM
Re: Hurricane Ivan Paths	javlin	Fri Sep 10 2004 12:16 PM
Re: Hurricane Ivan Paths	LI Phil	Fri Sep 10 2004 11:27 AM
Curious!	SoonerShawn	Fri Sep 10 2004 11:39 AM
Ridges and Troughs	LI Phil	Fri Sep 10 2004 11:57 AM
Re: Hurricane Ivan Paths	Colleen A.	Fri Sep 10 2004 11:36 AM
Re: Hurricane Ivan Paths	andy1tom	Fri Sep 10 2004 11:57 AM
Re: Hurricane Ivan Paths	Storm Cooper	Fri Sep 10 2004 12:05 PM
Re: Hurricane Ivan Paths	rmbjoe1954	Fri Sep 10 2004 12:04 PM
Re: Hurricane Ivan Paths	andy1tom	Fri Sep 10 2004 12:08 PM
ERC	LI Phil	Fri Sep 10 2004 12:12 PM
Re: ERC	ROB IN PA	Fri Sep 10 2004 12:41 PM
Re: ERC	StormHound	Fri Sep 10 2004 01:25 PM
SLOSH map for Mobile	LI Phil	Fri Sep 10 2004 01:29 PM
Re: SLOSH map for Mobile	HCW	Fri Sep 10 2004 01:41 PM
Re: SLOSH map for Mobile	Bev	Fri Sep 10 2004 01:34 PM
Florida SLOSH Maps	LI Phil	Fri Sep 10 2004 01:51 PM
Re: Florida SLOSH Maps	Mozart	Fri Sep 10 2004 02:08 PM
Re: Florida SLOSH Maps	scottsvb1	Fri Sep 10 2004 02:41 PM
Re: Florida SLOSH Maps	scottsvb1	Sat Sep 11 2004 12:28 PM
Thanks, Scott!	Colleen A.	Fri Sep 10 2004 03:39 PM
Re: Florida SLOSH Maps	jlauderdal	Fri Sep 10 2004 03:07 PM
Re: Florida SLOSH Maps	Bev	Fri Sep 10 2004 03:14 PM
Re: Florida SLOSH Maps	AgentB	Fri Sep 10 2004 02:57 PM
HELLO PEOPLE.. WAKE UP	trinibaje	Fri Sep 10 2004 03:01 PM
Re: HELLO PEOPLE.. WAKE UP	limerboy1	Fri Sep 10 2004 03:33 PM
Re: HELLO PEOPLE.. WAKE UP	MrSpock	Fri Sep 10 2004 03:05 PM
Broward County	Chopper Dave	Fri Sep 10 2004 03:08 PM
miami	lois	Fri Sep 10 2004 03:12 PM
Re: miami	LI Phil	Fri Sep 10 2004 03:15 PM
Thomas says shifting east	WXMAN RICHIE	Fri Sep 10 2004 03:24 PM
Re: Thomas says shifting east	RedingtonBeachGuy	Fri Sep 10 2004 03:41 PM
Re: Thomas says shifting east	trinibaje	Fri Sep 10 2004 03:37 PM
Re: Thomas says shifting east	scottsvb1	Fri Sep 10 2004 03:39 PM
Re: Thomas says shifting east	rule	Fri Sep 10 2004 03:57 PM
Re: Thomas says shifting east	scottsvb1	Fri Sep 10 2004 03:41 PM
Re: miami	Chopper Dave	Fri Sep 10 2004 03:14 PM
Re: miami	tenavilla	Fri Sep 10 2004 03:21 PM
Re: miami	SOFLAHAPPYGAL	Fri Sep 10 2004 03:25 PM
How far is it?	LI Phil	Fri Sep 10 2004 03:31 PM
Re: How far is it?	G8R	Fri Sep 10 2004 03:34 PM
GAS RESTRICTION	MIAMIFL	Fri Sep 10 2004 03:40 PM
Re: GAS RESTRICTION	alley	Fri Sep 10 2004 04:18 PM
Re: GAS RESTRICTION	Rasvar	Fri Sep 10 2004 03:44 PM
Let's Put The Gas Rationing Rumor to Bed & Other Info	Colleen A.	Fri Sep 10 2004 04:08 PM
Re: Let's Put The Gas Rationing Rumor to Bed & Other Info	ShaggyDude	Fri Sep 10 2004 04:12 PM
Re: Let's Put The Gas Rationing Rumor to Bed & Other Info	Ed in Va	Fri Sep 10 2004 04:17 PM
Re: Let's Put The Gas Rationing Rumor to Bed & Other Info	rule	Fri Sep 10 2004 04:24 PM
Re: Let's Put The Gas Rationing Rumor to Bed & Other Info	trinibaje	Fri Sep 10 2004 04:26 PM
Re: Let's Put The Gas Rationing Rumor to Bed & Other Info	ShaggyDude	Fri Sep 10 2004 04:16 PM
Multiple landfalls	Rasvar	Fri Sep 10 2004 04:15 PM
Re: Multiple landfalls	GaryC	Fri Sep 10 2004 04:20 PM
Re: Multiple landfalls	WXMAN RICHIE	Fri Sep 10 2004 04:27 PM
Re: Let's Put The Gas Rationing Rumor to Bed & Other Info	trinibaje	Fri Sep 10 2004 04:15 PM
Rumors and the danger	Rasvar	Fri Sep 10 2004 03:51 PM
Re: Rumors and the danger	andy1tom	Fri Sep 10 2004 04:01 PM
Re: Rumors and the danger	MrSpock	Fri Sep 10 2004 04:08 PM
Re: Rumors and the danger	lilyv	Fri Sep 10 2004 04:07 PM
Re: Rumors and the danger	c ray	Fri Sep 10 2004 03:59 PM
Re: Rumors and the danger	Colleen A.	Fri Sep 10 2004 04:26 PM
Re: Rumors and the danger	tpratch	Fri Sep 10 2004 04:31 PM
Re: Rumors and the danger	Lake Toho - Kissimmee	Fri Sep 10 2004 04:21 PM
c-ray is RIGHT	LI Phil	Fri Sep 10 2004 04:02 PM
I just think	trinibaje	Fri Sep 10 2004 04:07 PM
Re: Rumors and the danger	ThirdRay	Fri Sep 10 2004 03:57 PM
Re: Rumors and the danger	trinibaje	Fri Sep 10 2004 03:54 PM
Re: Rumors and the danger	Rasvar	Fri Sep 10 2004 04:00 PM
Re: Rumors and the danger	LI Phil	Fri Sep 10 2004 03:57 PM
Re: GAS RESTRICTION	StormHound	Fri Sep 10 2004 03:50 PM
Re: GAS RESTRICTION	trinibaje	Fri Sep 10 2004 03:47 PM
Gas Rationing...FALSE.	wxman007	Fri Sep 10 2004 03:38 PM
Re: Gas Rationing...FALSE.	Kal	Fri Sep 10 2004 04:04 PM
Ivan thoughts....	wxman007	Fri Sep 10 2004 04:09 PM
FALSE	MIAMIFL	Fri Sep 10 2004 04:11 PM
Re: FALSE	ThirdRay	Fri Sep 10 2004 04:15 PM
Re: FALSE	MrSpock	Fri Sep 10 2004 04:20 PM
Re: FALSE	tpratch	Fri Sep 10 2004 04:18 PM
Re: Gas Rationing...FALSE.	lilyv	Fri Sep 10 2004 03:59 PM
Re: Gas Rationing...FALSE.	G8R	Fri Sep 10 2004 03:49 PM
Re: Gas Rationing...FALSE.	slstewart	Fri Sep 10 2004 03:44 PM
Overall Water Vapor	Terra	Fri Sep 10 2004 04:03 PM
Re: Overall Water Vapor	rule	Fri Sep 10 2004 04:16 PM
Re: Overall Water Vapor	Sadie	Fri Sep 10 2004 05:33 PM
Re: Overall Water Vapor	Terra	Fri Sep 10 2004 04:22 PM
Re: Overall Water Vapor	rule	Fri Sep 10 2004 04:42 PM
IVAN...nothing else!	SoonerShawn	Fri Sep 10 2004 04:26 PM
Re: IVAN...nothing else!	Rasvar	Fri Sep 10 2004 04:30 PM
Shear	SoonerShawn	Fri Sep 10 2004 04:42 PM
Re: Shear	Rasvar	Fri Sep 10 2004 04:46 PM
WV Loops	SoonerShawn	Fri Sep 10 2004 04:50 PM
Re: Shear	ShaggyDude	Fri Sep 10 2004 04:47 PM
Re: Shear	rule	Fri Sep 10 2004 04:51 PM
Re: IVAN...nothing else!	LI Phil	Fri Sep 10 2004 04:29 PM
Re: IVAN...nothing else!	Mozart	Fri Sep 10 2004 04:36 PM
Re: IVAN...nothing else!	WXMAN RICHIE	Fri Sep 10 2004 04:35 PM
Rumor?	Jamiewx	Fri Sep 10 2004 04:06 PM
Re: Rumor?	GaryC	Fri Sep 10 2004 04:11 PM
Re: Gas Rationing...FALSE.	Kruz	Fri Sep 10 2004 03:48 PM
Re: Gas Rationing...FALSE.	slstewart	Fri Sep 10 2004 03:55 PM
Re: Gas Rationing	MIAMIFL	Fri Sep 10 2004 04:00 PM
Re: Gas Rationing	wxman007	Fri Sep 10 2004 04:06 PM
Re: Gas Rationing	ShaggyDude	Fri Sep 10 2004 04:08 PM
Re: Gas Rationing	WXMAN RICHIE	Fri Sep 10 2004 04:11 PM
Re: Gas Rationing	tenavilla	Fri Sep 10 2004 04:27 PM
there will be no need to ration	trinibaje	Fri Sep 10 2004 04:10 PM
Re: Gas Rationing...FALSE.	Kruz	Fri Sep 10 2004 03:58 PM
Gas ration	Rasvar	Fri Sep 10 2004 03:36 PM
Re: How far is it?	Kruz	Fri Sep 10 2004 03:36 PM
Re: Florida SLOSH Maps	Bev	Fri Sep 10 2004 02:05 PM
Re: Florida SLOSH Maps	AgentB	Fri Sep 10 2004 02:16 PM
Re: Florida SLOSH Maps	tenavilla	Fri Sep 10 2004 02:15 PM
More and More West	SoonerShawn	Fri Sep 10 2004 02:20 PM
li phil	SoonerShawn	Fri Sep 10 2004 02:31 PM
Re: li phil	Rasvar	Fri Sep 10 2004 02:39 PM
definitely on a more westerly track ya'll	rickonboat	Fri Sep 10 2004 02:37 PM
Re: li phil	Wxwatcher2	Fri Sep 10 2004 02:36 PM
Re: li phil	StormHound	Fri Sep 10 2004 02:45 PM
eye rebuild, or heading more west?....you decide	rickonboat	Fri Sep 10 2004 02:49 PM
Re: li phil	tenavilla	Fri Sep 10 2004 02:41 PM
Re: More and More West	rickonboat	Fri Sep 10 2004 02:25 PM
Re: More and More West	Rasvar	Fri Sep 10 2004 02:33 PM
NWS Tampa Discussion	Jamiewx	Fri Sep 10 2004 02:35 PM
Re: More and More West	LI Phil	Fri Sep 10 2004 02:30 PM
Re: More and More West	MrSpock	Fri Sep 10 2004 02:29 PM
Re: More and More West	MrSpock	Fri Sep 10 2004 02:23 PM
New Vortex message	MrSpock	Fri Sep 10 2004 02:17 PM
Thanks everyone	LI Phil	Fri Sep 10 2004 02:19 PM
Re: New Vortex message	Wxwatcher2	Fri Sep 10 2004 02:19 PM
FSU ensemble vs The Models?	LoisCane	Fri Sep 10 2004 02:07 PM
Re: Florida SLOSH Maps	MO stormspotter	Fri Sep 10 2004 02:00 PM
Re: Florida SLOSH Maps	Steve	Fri Sep 10 2004 02:08 PM
Re: Florida SLOSH Maps	Storm Cooper	Fri Sep 10 2004 02:04 PM
Re: SLOSH map for Mobile	MO Stormspotter	Fri Sep 10 2004 01:38 PM
Hawaii has some pretty water vapor images	Lake Toho - Kissimmee	Fri Sep 10 2004 01:32 PM
Re: Hawaii has some pretty water vapor images	Ed in Va	Fri Sep 10 2004 01:38 PM
Re: Hawaii has some pretty water vapor images	Clark	Fri Sep 10 2004 01:43 PM
Re: Hawaii has some pretty water vapor images	StormHound	Fri Sep 10 2004 01:48 PM
Re: Hawaii has some pretty water vapor images	kelcot	Fri Sep 10 2004 01:47 PM
Re: ERC	Fletch5150	Fri Sep 10 2004 12:40 PM
Looking at the Jamician radar	Rasvar	Fri Sep 10 2004 12:50 PM
Re: ERC	Lake Toho - Kissimmee	Fri Sep 10 2004 12:48 PM
Re: ERC	ShaggyDude	Fri Sep 10 2004 12:46 PM
Re: ERC	rmbjoe1954	Fri Sep 10 2004 12:17 PM
Re: ERC	Norm in Canada	Fri Sep 10 2004 01:25 PM
Re: ERC	Kdubs	Fri Sep 10 2004 02:33 PM
Re: ERC	MrSpock	Fri Sep 10 2004 02:38 PM
Re: ERC	AgentB	Fri Sep 10 2004 02:35 PM
Re: ERC	WeatherNLU	Fri Sep 10 2004 02:35 PM
Re: ERC	Storm Cooper	Fri Sep 10 2004 02:35 PM
some input from outside FL	schmaa	Fri Sep 10 2004 12:39 PM
Re: ERC	Eagle_Ed	Fri Sep 10 2004 12:30 PM
Closing time	Takingforever	Fri Sep 10 2004 12:35 PM
Re: Closing time	HCW	Fri Sep 10 2004 12:37 PM
Re: Closing time	Clark	Fri Sep 10 2004 01:37 PM
Re: Closing time	Kal	Fri Sep 10 2004 12:48 PM
Re: Closing time	AgentB	Fri Sep 10 2004 12:51 PM
Re: Closing time	Kal	Fri Sep 10 2004 01:02 PM
Re: Closing time	Fletch5150	Fri Sep 10 2004 01:39 PM
Re: Closing time	Clark	Fri Sep 10 2004 01:38 PM
Re: Closing time	belleami	Fri Sep 10 2004 01:46 PM
Re: Closing time	GaryC	Fri Sep 10 2004 01:40 PM
Re: Closing time	AgentB	Fri Sep 10 2004 01:12 PM
Re: Closing time	Fletch5150	Fri Sep 10 2004 01:20 PM
Re: Closing time	AgentB	Fri Sep 10 2004 01:38 PM
Re: Rapid Scan Operation	Sam33	Fri Sep 10 2004 01:24 PM
Re: Closing time	Ed in Va	Fri Sep 10 2004 01:11 PM
Re: Closing time	Lake Toho - Kissimmee	Fri Sep 10 2004 12:57 PM
Re: Closing time	Bev	Fri Sep 10 2004 12:45 PM
Ivan Damage Photo-Grenada	LI Phil	Fri Sep 10 2004 12:34 PM
Re: Ivan Damage Photo-Grenada	Ed Hinman	Fri Sep 10 2004 12:46 PM
Re: ERC	Steve	Fri Sep 10 2004 12:34 PM
Re: ERC	tenavilla	Fri Sep 10 2004 12:16 PM
Re: Hurricane Ivan Paths	Kal	Fri Sep 10 2004 11:34 AM
Re: Tampa bays worst nightmare	ROB H	Fri Sep 10 2004 11:43 AM
Re: Hurricane Ivan Paths	LI Phil	Fri Sep 10 2004 11:40 AM
Re: Hurricane Ivan Paths	Hurric	Fri Sep 10 2004 10:13 AM
Hurric	Colleen A.	Fri Sep 10 2004 10:32 AM
Re: Hurricane Ivan Paths	Lake Toho - Kissimmee	Fri Sep 10 2004 10:17 AM
Jamaica Radio Station	Lake Toho - Kissimmee	Fri Sep 10 2004 10:19 AM
JAMAICA	WXMAN RICHIE	Fri Sep 10 2004 10:23 AM
Re: JAMAICA	MikeC	Fri Sep 10 2004 10:34 AM
Re: JAMAICA	WXMAN RICHIE	Fri Sep 10 2004 10:47 AM
Re: JAMAICA	Bev	Fri Sep 10 2004 10:53 AM
Re: JAMAICA	Frank P	Fri Sep 10 2004 10:59 AM
Good News/Bad News	LI Phil	Fri Sep 10 2004 11:09 AM
Re: Good News/Bad News	Kdubs	Fri Sep 10 2004 11:29 AM
Re: Good News/Bad News	Colleen A.	Fri Sep 10 2004 11:24 AM
Re: Good News/Bad News	LI Phil	Fri Sep 10 2004 11:33 AM
Re: Good News/Bad News	Colleen A.	Fri Sep 10 2004 11:42 AM
Re: Good News/Bad News	trinibaje	Fri Sep 10 2004 11:16 AM
Re: Good News/Bad News	doug	Fri Sep 10 2004 11:12 AM
Re: JAMAICA	Mozart	Fri Sep 10 2004 10:33 AM
Eye Problems??	Cocoa Beach	Fri Sep 10 2004 09:42 AM
Re: Eye Problems??	AgentB	Fri Sep 10 2004 09:57 AM
Re: Eye Problems??	doug	Fri Sep 10 2004 10:32 AM
Re: Eye Problems??	Ed in Va	Fri Sep 10 2004 10:02 AM
Re: Eye Problems??	AgentB	Fri Sep 10 2004 10:33 AM
Falling apart alla Frances???	jth	Fri Sep 10 2004 08:51 AM
Re: Falling apart alla Frances???	Colleen A.	Fri Sep 10 2004 09:06 AM
Re: Falling apart alla Frances???	Justin in Miami	Fri Sep 10 2004 09:31 AM
Re: Falling apart alla Frances??? & Richard	Colleen A.	Fri Sep 10 2004 09:53 AM
Re: Falling apart alla Frances???	andy1tom	Fri Sep 10 2004 08:53 AM
Re: Falling apart alla Frances???	BillD	Fri Sep 10 2004 09:05 AM
Ivan Paths - Up close & personal	SkeetoBite	Fri Sep 10 2004 08:08 AM
Re: Ivan Paths - Up close & personal	SOFLAHAPPYGAL	Fri Sep 10 2004 08:33 AM
Re: Ivan Paths - Up close & personal	Ricreig	Fri Sep 10 2004 08:36 AM
TAMPA	WXMAN RICHIE	Fri Sep 10 2004 08:01 AM
Re: TAMPA	alley	Fri Sep 10 2004 01:11 PM
Tampa SLOSH map from Georges	LI Phil	Fri Sep 10 2004 01:15 PM
Re: Tampa SLOSH map from Georges	alley	Fri Sep 10 2004 01:22 PM
Re: Tampa SLOSH map from Georges	Bloodstar	Fri Sep 10 2004 01:50 PM
Re: Hurricane Ivan Paths	danielw	Fri Sep 10 2004 08:00 AM
Re: Hurricane Ivan Paths	Eric_in_SC	Fri Sep 10 2004 08:13 AM
Re: Hurricane Ivan Paths	Mozart	Fri Sep 10 2004 09:42 AM
Re: Hurricane Ivan Paths	BeachBum	Fri Sep 10 2004 08:33 AM
Re: Evacuation	BeachBum	Fri Sep 10 2004 09:34 AM
Re: Evacuation	Ed in Va	Fri Sep 10 2004 09:37 AM
WV Loops	Colleen A.	Fri Sep 10 2004 10:03 AM
Re: WV Loops	Bev	Fri Sep 10 2004 10:19 AM
Re: WV Loops	tenavilla	Fri Sep 10 2004 10:37 AM
Re: WV Loops	RMagic	Fri Sep 10 2004 01:43 PM
Re: WV Loops	MrSpock	Fri Sep 10 2004 01:48 PM
Re: WV Loops	RMagic	Fri Sep 10 2004 01:59 PM
Re: WV Loops	AgentB	Fri Sep 10 2004 02:05 PM
Re: WV Loops	Wxwatcher2	Fri Sep 10 2004 10:42 AM
State of Emergency for Manatee County?	Colleen A.	Fri Sep 10 2004 10:53 AM
Re: State of Emergency for Manatee County?	Wxwatcher2	Fri Sep 10 2004 11:06 AM
Sorry for ya'll	rickonboat	Fri Sep 10 2004 11:30 AM
Ivan	Colleen A.	Fri Sep 10 2004 11:20 AM
Re: Ivan	Steve hirschb.	Fri Sep 10 2004 11:25 AM
Re: Ivan	Kdubs	Fri Sep 10 2004 11:34 AM
Re: Ivan	Colleen A.	Fri Sep 10 2004 11:32 AM
Trying to keep my chin up	Rasvar	Fri Sep 10 2004 11:04 AM
Re: Trying to keep my chin up	Fletch5150	Fri Sep 10 2004 11:25 AM
11 am IS OUT	Lake Toho - Kissimmee	Fri Sep 10 2004 10:51 AM
Re: WV Loops	tenavilla	Fri Sep 10 2004 10:50 AM
RADAR???	WXMAN RICHIE	Fri Sep 10 2004 10:07 AM
Re: RADAR???	Colleen A.	Fri Sep 10 2004 10:30 AM
Re: RADAR???	Ed in Va	Fri Sep 10 2004 10:09 AM
Re: Evacuation	BillD	Fri Sep 10 2004 09:46 AM
Re: Evacuation	Terra	Fri Sep 10 2004 09:42 AM
Re: Hurricane Ivan Paths	Colleen A.	Fri Sep 10 2004 08:28 AM
Re: Hurricane Ivan Paths	Ricreig	Fri Sep 10 2004 08:34 AM
Re: Hurricane Ivan Paths	Colleen A.	Fri Sep 10 2004 08:59 AM
Re: Hurricane Ivan Paths	Gerald	Fri Sep 10 2004 04:33 PM
Re: Hurricane Ivan Paths	ShaggyDude	Fri Sep 10 2004 04:38 PM
5:00 PM discussion	Rasvar	Fri Sep 10 2004 04:38 PM
Re: 5:00 PM discussion	Colleen A.	Fri Sep 10 2004 05:01 PM
Re: 5:00 PM discussion	Lake Toho - Kissimmee	Fri Sep 10 2004 05:07 PM
Re: 5:00 PM discussion	Cane Watcher	Fri Sep 10 2004 04:47 PM
Re: 5:00 PM discussion	Rasvar	Fri Sep 10 2004 04:48 PM
Re: 5:00 PM discussion	LI Phil	Fri Sep 10 2004 04:40 PM
Re: Hurricane Ivan Paths	Ricreig	Fri Sep 10 2004 09:07 AM
Re: Hurricane Ivan Paths	HCW	Fri Sep 10 2004 08:31 AM
Re: Hurricane Ivan Paths	Terra	Fri Sep 10 2004 08:23 AM
Re: Hurricane Ivan Paths	danielw	Fri Sep 10 2004 08:35 AM
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