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      Tue Sep 21 2004 11:35 PM

lot going on still.. this could run on forever.
jeanne is the top priority right now. it's beginning the anticyclonic loop that has been appearing in the forecast and on various model runs for the past few days.. and should accelerate westward over the next couple of days back towards the northern bahamas. the globals (gfs in particular) that were dead set on either stalling it or taking it east, as scottsvb mentioned, are now seeing the writing on the wall. that excerpt from bastardi linked earlier in the thread has an excellent discussion on just this topic.
i've got a mind that jeanne will get bypassed by another shortwave and come in sheared and weak early next week somewhere in the carolinas. the euro solution is the one i give the most credit right now. it may peak at cat 3 east of the bahamas, but upper westerlies too prominent in the globals for jeanne to come through strong.
ivan remnants sputtering and very weak.. traversing the gulf. it should work its way w to wnw and reach texas friday or saturday. bastardi thinks it redevelops.. i'm not so sure, but wouldn't be surprised.
karl going up and out. like a good hurricane. its wake shouldn't capture lisa, though it ought to keep the system slow-moving. the official keeps showing it turning nw late in the forecast period.. don't think that feature will turn it.. too much uncertainty with it's upcoming interaction with the disturbance trailing it. that disturbance should be a depression now (d2.0), but nhc has gone back to its usual ultra-conservative approach to distant systems. i have a feeling that it and lisa are about to duel. the following wave has model support for development as well.. given the recent trends i'd say there could be another active cyclone in the cape verde region in the next few days.. though we're close to the closure of that region of the basin.
earlier there was lots of talk about name retirement and lineage (with ivan). charley, frances, ivan, and now jeanne are potential retirees. if jeanne later hits the united states its chances will further rise. frances has mediocre chances, notwithstanding the rumors of france requesting its removal. charley and ivan are slam-dunk retirees.. too much death and destruction to re-use them. for a single season there have been more than the usual retirement or two.. but then there have been lots of landfalling systems.
as far as the gulf system keeping the name ivan.. i'd vote for it personally (it's been a trackable vortmax on a trough since decoupling from the transitioning surface system over virginia on saturday).. and nhc has mentioned it's descendance from ivan in it's two's and discussions.. suffice to say they see the relationship. it could realistically go either way... but would create questions when this seasons record goes to climatology.. was it one system or two?
well, ya'll have a good night. time to get some lunch/dinner.
HF 2333z21september

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* The Basin Stays Busy Ed DunhamAdministrator Tue Sep 21 2004 11:35 PM
. * * The E. Atlantic Clark   Wed Sep 22 2004 05:58 AM
. * * Re: The E. Atlantic James88   Wed Sep 22 2004 06:14 AM
. * * Re: The E. Atlantic Rasvar   Wed Sep 22 2004 11:48 AM
. * * Re: The E. Atlantic Steve hirschb.   Wed Sep 22 2004 11:57 AM
. * * AM Ivan remnants..... Frank P   Wed Sep 22 2004 12:17 PM
. * * Re: AM Ivan remnants..... MO Stormspotter   Wed Sep 22 2004 12:49 PM
. * * Re: AM Ivan remnants..... Ed in Va   Wed Sep 22 2004 01:12 PM
. * * model runs on Ivan remnants Frank P   Wed Sep 22 2004 12:22 PM
. * * Re: The Basin Stays Busy MikeCAdministrator   Tue Sep 21 2004 01:36 PM
. * * Re: The Basin Stays Busy DMFischer   Tue Sep 21 2004 05:02 PM
. * * Re: The Basin Stays Busy leetdan   Tue Sep 21 2004 03:35 AM
. * * Re: The Basin Stays Busy BillD   Tue Sep 21 2004 04:06 AM
. * * Re: The Basin Stays Busy Hurric   Tue Sep 21 2004 02:41 AM
. * * Re: The Basin Stays Busy Clark   Tue Sep 21 2004 02:39 AM
. * * Re: The Basin Stays Busy Hurric   Tue Sep 21 2004 02:45 AM
. * * Re: The Basin Stays Busy Clark   Tue Sep 21 2004 04:16 AM
. * * Re: The Basin Stays Busy Second Shift   Tue Sep 21 2004 06:17 AM
. * * The ghost of Ivan continues WXMAN RICHIE   Tue Sep 21 2004 10:53 AM
. * * Re: The ghost of Ivan continues Rasvar   Tue Sep 21 2004 01:14 PM
. * * Re: The ghost of Ivan continues BeachBum   Tue Sep 21 2004 05:04 PM
. * * Re: The ghost of Ivan continues Ormond Suzie   Tue Sep 21 2004 05:29 PM
. * * survived because of a one degree dogleg right at the last minute...whew! rickonboat   Tue Sep 21 2004 01:59 PM
. * * Re: survived because of a one degree dogleg right at the last minute...whew! DMFischer   Tue Sep 21 2004 05:05 PM
. * * Re: survived because of a one degree dogleg right at the last minute...whew! Storm Cooper   Tue Sep 21 2004 03:33 PM
. * * Question for Mike or John C... Steve   Tue Sep 21 2004 03:36 PM
. * * Re: Joe's Daily Column is free today June from Port Orange   Tue Sep 21 2004 04:12 PM
. * * Re: Joe's Daily Column is free today leetdan   Tue Sep 21 2004 04:14 PM
. * * Re: Joe's Daily Column is free today CarolinaGurl   Tue Sep 21 2004 04:28 PM
. * * Ivan's Return Domino   Tue Sep 21 2004 05:04 PM
. * * Re: Ivan's Return MO STORMSPOTTER   Tue Sep 21 2004 05:06 PM
. * * Re: Ivan's Return Katie   Tue Sep 21 2004 05:42 PM
. * * Re: Ivan's Return doug   Tue Sep 21 2004 05:48 PM
. * * Re: Ivan's Return Fletch   Tue Sep 21 2004 05:52 PM
. * * Re: Ivan's Return vs Mitch lois   Tue Sep 21 2004 06:16 PM
. * * Re: Ivan's Return leetdan   Tue Sep 21 2004 05:16 PM
. * * Re: Ivan's Return Rabbit   Tue Sep 21 2004 05:12 PM
. * * Re: Ivan's Return Domino   Tue Sep 21 2004 05:19 PM
. * * Re: Ivan's Return doug   Tue Sep 21 2004 05:27 PM
. * * Re: Ivan's Return Domino   Tue Sep 21 2004 05:31 PM
. * * Re: Ivan's Return doug   Tue Sep 21 2004 05:43 PM
. * * Re: Ivan's Return Fletch   Tue Sep 21 2004 05:48 PM
. * * Jeanne-retirement after the season? LI Phil   Tue Sep 21 2004 05:55 PM
. * * Re: Jeanne-retirement after the season? Staggy   Tue Sep 21 2004 06:44 PM
. * * Re: Jeanne-retirement after the season? EPA-storm watch   Tue Sep 21 2004 07:04 PM
. * * Re: Jeanne-retirement after the season? Fletch   Tue Sep 21 2004 05:59 PM
. * * Re: Jeanne-retirement after the season? ShanaTX   Tue Sep 21 2004 07:45 PM
. * * Re: Jeanne-retirement after the season? LI Phil   Tue Sep 21 2004 08:01 PM
. * * Re: Jeanne-retirement after the season? Ricreig   Tue Sep 21 2004 08:17 PM
. * * Re: Jeanne-retirement after the season? LI Phil   Tue Sep 21 2004 08:24 PM
. * * other storms Rabbit   Tue Sep 21 2004 09:05 PM
. * * Make that 1985... LI Phil   Tue Sep 21 2004 09:07 PM
. * * Re: Jeanne-retirement after the season? Keith234   Tue Sep 21 2004 09:02 PM
. * * Re: Jeanne-retirement after the season? Ricreig   Tue Sep 21 2004 09:12 PM
. * * Re: Jeanne-retirement after the season? k___g   Wed Sep 22 2004 01:53 AM
. * * Re: Jeanne-retirement after the season? Redbird1   Tue Sep 21 2004 09:30 PM
. * * Re: Jeanne-retirement after the season? Ricreig   Tue Sep 21 2004 09:43 PM
. * * Re: Jeanne-retirement after the season? Redbird1   Tue Sep 21 2004 09:51 PM
. * * Re: Jeanne-retirement after the season? scottsvb   Tue Sep 21 2004 10:31 PM
. * * bevy of comments HanKFranK   Tue Sep 21 2004 11:35 PM
. * * Re: bevy of comments Clark   Wed Sep 22 2004 01:09 AM
. * * Re: bevy of comments Keith234   Wed Sep 22 2004 01:02 AM
. * * Re: Jeanne-retirement after the season? Keith234   Tue Sep 21 2004 11:00 PM
. * * Jeanne 5 Day LI Phil   Tue Sep 21 2004 11:28 PM
. * * Re: Jeanne 5 Day Kent   Wed Sep 22 2004 04:41 AM
. * * Re: Jeanne 5 Day Keith234   Wed Sep 22 2004 12:36 AM
. * * Re: Jeanne 5 Day Redbird1   Tue Sep 21 2004 11:39 PM
. * * Re: Jeanne 5 Day LI Phil   Tue Sep 21 2004 11:51 PM
. * * Re: Jeanne 5 Day MR. UnHappy   Wed Sep 22 2004 12:37 AM
. * * Re: Jeanne 5 Day Girlnascar   Wed Sep 22 2004 04:10 AM
. * * Re: To MR UNHappy Kdubs   Wed Sep 22 2004 01:53 AM
. * * Re: To MR UNHappy Mr. UnHappy   Wed Sep 22 2004 11:54 AM
. * * Re: To MR UNHappy Lake Toho - Kissimmee   Wed Sep 22 2004 01:44 PM
. * * Re: To MR UNHappy mr. UnHappy   Wed Sep 22 2004 02:15 PM
. * * Re: To MR UNHappy leetdan   Wed Sep 22 2004 02:28 PM
. * * Re: To MR UNHappy Mozart   Wed Sep 22 2004 03:23 PM
. * * Re: To MR UNHappy Redbird1   Wed Sep 22 2004 03:13 PM
. * * Re: To MR UNHappy Rabbit   Wed Sep 22 2004 02:09 PM
. * * Re: To MR UNHappy storm chaser   Wed Sep 22 2004 12:22 PM
. * * Re: To MR UNHappy Katie   Wed Sep 22 2004 01:19 PM
. * * Re: To MR UNHappy storm chaser   Wed Sep 22 2004 01:29 PM
. * * Re: To MR UNHappy strom chaser   Wed Sep 22 2004 01:31 PM
. * * Re: To MR UNHappy cmdebbie   Wed Sep 22 2004 02:31 AM
. * * Re: To MR UNHappy recmod   Wed Sep 22 2004 02:12 AM
. * * Re: To MR UNHappy Lake Toho - Kissimmee   Wed Sep 22 2004 02:52 AM
. * * Re: To MR UNHappy mom2als   Wed Sep 22 2004 04:48 AM
. * * Re: To MR UNHappy Redbird1   Wed Sep 22 2004 03:07 PM
. * * Re: To MR UNHappy Mr. UnHappy   Wed Sep 22 2004 12:29 PM
. * * What is your thinking on the wave behind Lisa? Matt033   Wed Sep 22 2004 05:12 AM
. * * Thomas says Florida beware again WXMAN RICHIE   Wed Sep 22 2004 02:01 AM
. * * Re: Thomas says Florida beware again Rasvar   Wed Sep 22 2004 02:13 AM
. * * Re: Thomas says Florida beware again WXMAN RICHIE   Wed Sep 22 2004 02:16 AM
. * * Jeanne News Worsens Yet Again recmod   Wed Sep 22 2004 02:29 AM
. * * Re: Jeanne News Worsens Yet Again recmod   Wed Sep 22 2004 03:12 AM
. * * Re: Jeanne News Worsens Yet Again Steve   Wed Sep 22 2004 03:35 AM
. * * Re: Jeanne News Worsens Yet Again Kent   Wed Sep 22 2004 04:15 AM
. * * Re: Thomas says Florida beware again 52255225   Wed Sep 22 2004 02:10 AM
. * * Re: FEMA danielwAdministrator   Wed Sep 22 2004 01:08 AM
. * * Re: Jeanne 5 Day leetdan   Wed Sep 22 2004 12:48 AM
. * * Re: Jeanne 5 Day anon   Wed Sep 22 2004 12:05 PM
. * * Re: Jeanne 5 Day Redbird1   Wed Sep 22 2004 12:05 AM
. * * Re: Jeanne 5 Day troy   Wed Sep 22 2004 12:38 AM
. * * Re: Jeanne 5 Day LI Phil   Wed Sep 22 2004 12:55 AM
. * * Ivan remnants getting pulzerized by shear Frank P   Wed Sep 22 2004 01:12 AM
. * * Re: Bear Watch danielwAdministrator   Wed Sep 22 2004 01:35 AM
. * * Re: Bear Watch Frank P   Wed Sep 22 2004 01:44 AM
. * * Re: Bear Watch SoonerShawn   Wed Sep 22 2004 01:40 AM
. * * Re: Bear Watch BillD   Wed Sep 22 2004 01:39 AM
. * * Re: Jeanne 5 Day DroopGB31   Wed Sep 22 2004 01:06 AM
. * * Re: Jeanne 5 Day DroopGB31   Wed Sep 22 2004 01:11 AM
. * * Re: Jeanne 5 Day Steve   Tue Sep 21 2004 11:49 PM
. * * Jeanne's Death Toll Rising Fast recmod   Tue Sep 21 2004 11:24 PM
. * * Re: Jeanne-retirement after the season? Rabbit   Tue Sep 21 2004 09:19 PM
. * * Re: Jeanne-retirement after the season? Ricreig   Tue Sep 21 2004 09:34 PM
. * * Re: Jeanne-retirement after the season? Redbird1   Tue Sep 21 2004 09:38 PM
. * * Re: Jeanne-retirement after the season? Ricreig   Tue Sep 21 2004 08:10 PM
. * * Re: Jeanne-retirement after the season? clueless   Tue Sep 21 2004 06:05 PM
. * * Re: Jeanne-retirement after the season? leetdan   Tue Sep 21 2004 06:09 PM
. * * Re: Jeanne-retirement after the season? scottsvb   Tue Sep 21 2004 06:09 PM
. * * Re: Jeanne-retirement after the season? Rasvar   Tue Sep 21 2004 06:36 PM
. * * Re: Jeanne-retirement after the season? doug   Tue Sep 21 2004 06:16 PM
. * * HPC/TPC? Ed in Va   Tue Sep 21 2004 06:30 PM
. * * Re: HPC/TPC? Clark   Tue Sep 21 2004 09:03 PM
. * * Re: HPC/TPC? Ed in Va   Tue Sep 21 2004 09:06 PM
. * * Re: HPC/TPC? LI Phil   Tue Sep 21 2004 06:32 PM
. * * Re: HPC/TPC? Ed in Va   Tue Sep 21 2004 06:53 PM
. * * T numbers Bloodstar   Tue Sep 21 2004 06:36 PM
. * * Re: Jeanne-retirement after the season? Fletch   Tue Sep 21 2004 06:21 PM
. * * Re: Jeanne-retirement after the season? Katie   Tue Sep 21 2004 06:40 PM
. * * Re: Jeanne-retirement after the season? Fletch   Tue Sep 21 2004 06:44 PM
. * * Re: Jeanne-retirement after the season? leetdan   Tue Sep 21 2004 08:17 PM
. * * Re: Jeanne-retirement after the season? leetdan   Tue Sep 21 2004 06:29 PM
. * * Re: Jeanne-retirement after the season? Domino   Tue Sep 21 2004 06:31 PM
. * * Re: Jeanne-retirement after the season? Domino   Tue Sep 21 2004 06:39 PM
. * * Re: Jeanne-retirement after the season? LI Phil   Tue Sep 21 2004 06:47 PM
. * * Re: Jeanne-retirement after the season? Domino   Tue Sep 21 2004 06:48 PM
. * * Retirement of names LI Phil   Tue Sep 21 2004 06:57 PM
. * * Re: Retirement of names Steve-unplugged   Tue Sep 21 2004 07:06 PM
. * * love this view of ivan lois   Tue Sep 21 2004 07:28 PM
. * * Re: Jeanne-retirement after the season? Domino   Tue Sep 21 2004 06:25 PM
. * * Re: Jeanne-retirement after the season? Fletch   Tue Sep 21 2004 06:13 PM
. * * Re: Ivan's Return LI Phil   Tue Sep 21 2004 05:40 PM
. * * Re: Ivan's Return MO STORMSPOTTER   Tue Sep 21 2004 05:29 PM
. * * Med. Storm? Bloodstar   Tue Sep 21 2004 05:16 PM
. * * Re: Med. Storm? Domino   Tue Sep 21 2004 05:26 PM
. * * Re: Med. Storm? clueless   Tue Sep 21 2004 05:57 PM
. * * Re: Joe's Daily Column is free today Terry Johnson   Tue Sep 21 2004 04:58 PM
. * * Re: Joe's Daily Column is free today doug   Tue Sep 21 2004 05:21 PM
. * * Re: Joe's Daily Column is free today tpratch   Tue Sep 21 2004 05:00 PM
. * * Re: Joe's Daily Column is free today leetdan   Tue Sep 21 2004 04:55 PM
. * * Re: Question for Mike or John C... MikeCAdministrator   Tue Sep 21 2004 04:12 PM
. * * Re: survived because of a one degree dogleg right at the last minute...whew! leetdan   Tue Sep 21 2004 03:25 PM
. * * Re: survived because of a one degree dogleg right at the last minute...whew! Frank P   Tue Sep 21 2004 02:22 PM
. * * Re: survived because of a one degree dogleg right at the last minute...whew! GuppieGrouper   Tue Sep 21 2004 02:37 PM
. * * Re: survived because of a one degree dogleg right at the last minute...whew! Steve   Tue Sep 21 2004 02:06 PM
. * * Re: survived because of a one degree dogleg right at the last minute...whew! Clark   Tue Sep 21 2004 04:19 PM
. * * Re: survived because of a one degree dogleg right at the last minute...whew! Shalafi   Tue Sep 21 2004 05:14 PM
. * * Re: survived because of a one degree dogleg right at the last minute...whew! Ricreig   Tue Sep 21 2004 05:47 PM
. * * Re: survived because of a one degree dogleg right at the last minute...whew! Shalafi   Tue Sep 21 2004 05:54 PM
. * * Re: survived because of a one degree dogleg right at the last minute...whew! Kent   Tue Sep 21 2004 02:50 PM
. * * Re: The Basin Stays Busy scottsvb   Tue Sep 21 2004 04:49 AM
. * * Re: The Basin Stays Busy Hurric   Tue Sep 21 2004 04:46 AM
. * * Re: The Basin Stays Busy Wxwatcher2   Tue Sep 21 2004 03:22 AM
. * * Re: The Basin Stays Busy DebbiePSL   Tue Sep 21 2004 03:30 AM
. * * Re: The Basin Stays Busy Lake Toho - Kissimmee   Tue Sep 21 2004 03:32 AM
. * * Re: The Basin Stays Busy DebbiePSL   Tue Sep 21 2004 03:35 AM
. * * Re: The Basin Stays Busy 52255225   Tue Sep 21 2004 03:29 AM
. * * Re: The Basin Stays Busy 52255225   Tue Sep 21 2004 03:30 AM
. * * Re: The Basin Stays Busy ShanaTX   Mon Sep 20 2004 05:07 AM
. * * Re: The Basin Stays Busy Storm Cooper   Mon Sep 20 2004 04:33 AM

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