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Beach
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Re: A Cool Picture... [Re: James88]
      #17034 - Fri Jul 30 2004 02:58 PM

It's is Really... What a bummer!
It is and awesome weather picture reguardless.
Thanks for setting me straight.


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68/24 [Re: Beach]
      #17035 - Fri Jul 30 2004 03:09 PM

what is going on there?

http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/PS/TROP/DATA/RT/float-vis-loop.html

where is the 11?


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Re: A Cool Picture... [Re: Beach]
      #17036 - Fri Jul 30 2004 03:12 PM

Coupla-three things...been into that urban legends stuff since 9/11 when a boatload of rumors were spreading. James88 is right that it actually took some time before the picture was actually id'ed. It is a cool pic.

Gotta agree with Steve-o on the 99L call. I'm sticking with my earlier call for a TS and landfalling somewhere between the two Carolinas. It's slow to organize, but that will help it to gain strength. And, while I don't get up in the middle of the night to check out loops, first thing in the am is TWC and CFHC on the 'puter.

When I posted earlier this am, JB hadn't put his tropical vid online, so I gotta go check that out. I also haven't checked on recon, but last I heard, they were scheduled to fly out to 99L around 10 am, so if that's still the case, we should have some data soon.

OK, gotta go do some tropical trawling. Check back wit-cho guys later.

LI Phil

Edited by Ed Dunham (Sat Jul 31 2004 01:04 AM)


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11:30 TWO - Interesting... [Re: LI Phil]
      #17037 - Fri Jul 30 2004 03:20 PM

MORNING VISIBLE SATELLITE IMAGERY INDICATES THAT A LOW-LEVEL
CIRCULATION IS FORMING IN THE AREA OF DISTURBED WEATHER CENTERED
ABOUT 270 MILES EAST-NORTHEAST OF FREEPORT IN THE BAHAMAS. AN AIR
FORCE RESERVE HURRICANE HUNTER AIRCRAFT WILL INVESTIGATE THE SYSTEM
THIS AFTERNOON TO DETERMINE IF A TROPICAL OR SUBTROPICAL DEPRESSION
HAS FORMED. ADDITIONAL DEVELOPMENT IS POSSIBLE AS THE SYSTEM MOVES
NORTHWESTWARD ABOUT 10 MPH...AND INTERESTS IN THE SOUTHEASTERN AND
MID-ATLANTIC STATES SHOULD MONITOR ITS PROGRESS.

This sounds promising! It appears we may have our first system later today! BTW, since it says that the recon will determine if a tropical or subtropical depression has formed, does this mean that it is very likely that the system will be classified?


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Re: Two Areas Both Near the US that May Need Watching [Re: MikeC]
      #17038 - Fri Jul 30 2004 03:25 PM

The low pressure east/northeast of Freeport in Bahamas looks like its heading due west !http://wwwghcc.msfc.nasa.gov/cgi-bin/post-goes

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Re: Can I ... [Re: MikeC]
      #17039 - Fri Jul 30 2004 03:32 PM

MORNING VISIBLE SATELLITE IMAGERY INDICATES THAT A LOW-LEVEL
CIRCULATION IS FORMING IN THE AREA OF DISTURBED WEATHER CENTERED
ABOUT 270 MILES EAST-NORTHEAST OF FREEPORT IN THE BAHAMAS. AN AIR
FORCE RESERVE HURRICANE HUNTER AIRCRAFT WILL INVESTIGATE THE SYSTEM
THIS AFTERNOON TO DETERMINE IF A TROPICAL OR SUBTROPICAL DEPRESSION
HAS FORMED. ADDITIONAL DEVELOPMENT IS POSSIBLE AS THE SYSTEM MOVES
NORTHWESTWARD ABOUT 10 MPH...AND INTERESTS IN THE SOUTHEASTERN AND
MID-ATLANTIC STATES SHOULD MONITOR ITS PROGRESS.


What I thought.

sc


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LLC is there on 99L [Re: LI Phil]
      #17040 - Fri Jul 30 2004 03:34 PM

Having stared at the loop for about 15 minutes, and then reading the 11 TWO, a LLC has formed at about 27N 75W or in that general area. I look for this to become the first TD by tonight. It seems to me to have a WNW/NW move to it, and I still might see a cloud or two, maybe more, here in JAX before it moves almost due north. It won't make it to hurricane strength at any point IMO. I do think it will a weather event worth noting for somebody, rainmaker if it starts to take off this afternoon. And I do think it will start to take off soon.

90L is broad, to say the least. It's going to have to tighten up it's act a bunch to start moving toward TD statis. Day or two more for this one. The CV wave doesn't do much for me yet, but I'm not looking very hard at the moment, with a baby at my backdoor........


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Re: 11:30 TWO - Interesting... [Re: James88]
      #17041 - Fri Jul 30 2004 03:35 PM

Yes, but convection has died off somewhat in the areas they identified, and a rival circulation to the SE is apparent...might not quite be there yet.

BTW: 85 degree water at PCB this am and EIGHTY SEVEN DEGREES at St. Marks....gulf system def drifting wnw, twt.

sc


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Re: Two Areas Both Near the US that May Need Watching [Re: MikeC]
      #17042 - Fri Jul 30 2004 03:36 PM

http://wwwghcc.msfc.nasa.gov/GOES/goeseastconus.html

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Re: Two Areas Both Near the US that May Need Watching [Re: Anonymous]
      #17043 - Fri Jul 30 2004 03:36 PM

With Dvorak at 1.5/1.5 on 99L (25 knots) and recon headed in, I'll say we have a TD by this afternoon. They cancelled the recon on 90L (no surprise there).

That wave off the coast of Africa is looking mighty impressive ATTM as well, although that's going to get short shrift until we see what happens with the two invests.

Anyone know when the recon data will filter back in?

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the answer and two questions [Re: LI Phil]
      #17044 - Fri Jul 30 2004 03:45 PM

may have to wait until 5pm.
I'd rather do that and it be classified then get the data early and not have anything.

two questions:
what is meant by "analog" year? I've seen it in the earlier topics alot
second, what is the site where you are all getting the Dvorak numbers from?


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Re: the answer and two questions [Re: Rabbit]
      #17045 - Fri Jul 30 2004 03:48 PM

Anolog years are years that in the historical record have global oceanic and atmospheric trends which are substantially similar to the season ahead. These years also provide useful clues as to likely trends in activity that the forthcoming hurricane season may bring.

Here is a link to the T numbers:-

T numbers


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Re: the answer and two questions [Re: Rabbit]
      #17046 - Fri Jul 30 2004 03:51 PM

Bugsy,

analog (n) similar or comparable in certain respects. An analog year is one where certain or several aspects of the season fit the current one. (ie, was there a strong el nino, when did the first storm form, what were the SSTs, etc.). There are no true analogs, as each season will behave differently than others before it, but they may produce similar results.

Here's the link for the Dvorak readings:

http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/PS/TROP/positions.html

Did that answer your questions?

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it means........ [Re: Anonymous]
      #17047 - Fri Jul 30 2004 03:51 PM

if they find it closed off.. west wind

they do use that parameter of bahama systems right?
i mean even a subtropical needs a west wind?
yes or no?


maybe they can see something in their flying machines i don't see on the visible


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Re: the answer and two questions [Re: LI Phil]
      #17048 - Fri Jul 30 2004 03:53 PM

question answered

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Re: the answer and two questions [Re: James88]
      #17049 - Fri Jul 30 2004 04:00 PM

My family is headed to palm beach fl from 8-1 til 8-7, does this storm look like it's heading in that direction.

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Re: the answer and two questions [Re: Anonymous]
      #17050 - Fri Jul 30 2004 04:01 PM

it appears to be moving northwest, so it will likely never reach southern Florida

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Re: the answer and two questions [Re: LI Phil]
      #17051 - Fri Jul 30 2004 04:02 PM

Thanks guys for the link to the T-numbers. One I didn't have bookmarked yet.

The local NWS here in JAX is very calm, as they should be, Our chance for rain goes up after soon to be TD1 passes east and north of us, light N winds for the next day or so. Water is very warm right now. Might expect a little bit of a last second flare-up as "Alex" passes over the gulf stream just before landfall somewhere in the Carolina's, IMO.


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Re: the answer and two questions [Re: Anonymous]
      #17052 - Fri Jul 30 2004 04:02 PM

From what I can deduce. it would seem you'd be OK in WPB. If a Florida hit were to occur it would be in the northern part of the state..close to Georgia. Worst case, rain and heavy surf.

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just a quick note... [Re: rmbjoe1954]
      #17053 - Fri Jul 30 2004 04:08 PM

Namtheun nearing landfall in Japan with 75mph winds; in EP, Darby down to 65 and TD6E dissipated

also looks like 90L is not developing because its energy is being pulled into 99L


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