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Area off the Southeast US Coast has a 10% to develop, either way will be wet in parts of the Southeast/NC this weekend. Beryl gone but not forgotten in Houston area where power outages still are widespread.
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andy1tom
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Re: Interesting NHC 8:05pm discussion on exTD2 [Re: teal61]
      #18153 - Mon Aug 09 2004 12:50 AM

check out this last time we had alex, bonnie,charley...... 14 named storms 10 hurricanes and the first one was...........july 27 and its name was alex.. see a pattern??1998 storms

Edited by andy1tom (Mon Aug 09 2004 01:06 AM)


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Re: Interesting NHC 8:05pm discussion on exTD2 [Re: teal61]
      #18154 - Mon Aug 09 2004 12:55 AM

looks like it is getting it stuff together.. interesting what tomorrow morning will bring.

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... [Re: andy1tom]
      #18155 - Mon Aug 09 2004 01:08 AM

Not sure what to do with 91L. I'm giving my ideas a B+ so far. My early end game from last Monday or Tuesday called for a potential eastern Gulf threat. It's really hard to tell what might happen. The biggest player is the front expected to get to the Northern Gulf on Wed. or Thurs. How fast will it get here? How far south into the Gulf will it move? How are the models going to change if we end up with a Gulf system? If you missed it last night, I threw up an interesting scenario proposed for this season on the 91L contest thread. I wonder how I did on the 2nd half of the prediction scheme? Models I've looked at seem to indicate a hard right in the middle of the Gulf and toward the FL panhandle. That's plausible as is a west moving wave axis . There's just no way to determine yet what's going to happen. If you missed it, a Tropical Cyclone Formation Alert has been issued for 91L. As of the Hi-res IR tonight, it looks like the system is developing most on its southerly side. (Something we saw 8-10 days ago in the WPAC). Speaking of the WPAC, there are two invests up as well as Tropical Storm Rananim. This storm is anticipated to become a typhoon on its slow move north and then curve West toward Shanghai. NRL & JTWC will be changing the tracks from time to time. But as of now, we're talking about a 6-10 day teleconnection of a ridge in eastern North America (and probably a strong one). What effect this has on 93L (which for my money, is looking better by the minute) into early-mid next week, if any, remains to be seen..

SOI has been averaging slightly negative for the last 6 days. A -6.4 value doesn't really scream, "El Nino is coming" but more likely signifies the 3 systems north of there.
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Anyway, 91L could be a developing situation, or it may turn out to be nothing (what the models have been saying).

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Re: Cancun Radar [Re: Frank P]
      #18156 - Mon Aug 09 2004 01:50 AM

Ran the probable center location against a beam characteristic calculator.
Distance from Cancun radar to the center of storm determined by radar. At 0530Z, this was 070degrees at 71.5nm. Here are the results.
0.5deg Elev Angle
Beam Top Ht ARL- 10,700ft
Beam Ctr Ht ARL-7,200ft
Beam Bottom ht ARL-3700ft
Beamwidth-----------7100ft wide
This is for a WSR-88D radar and may not be accurate for Cancun radar.
http://www.wdtb.noaa.gov/resources/misc/beamwidth/beamwidth.htm

Edited by danielw (Mon Aug 09 2004 01:53 AM)


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Re: Cancun Radar [Re: danielw]
      #18157 - Mon Aug 09 2004 02:06 AM

i think we have at least at TD2 again..... watching radar from cancun... center of cir.... in 4 pics (40 min worth) show a tight center of cir..... if its mid levl.... well looooks good.... cancun radar..... now she must survive the GOM for a few hrs today..... need less shear from the ne on monday...

is it me or have i noticed this system likes the night time....

*L* man Friday the 13th is coming....


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here she comes [Re: Anonymous]
      #18158 - Mon Aug 09 2004 02:15 AM

000
AXNT20 KNHC 090546
TWDAT

TROPICAL WEATHER DISCUSSION
NWS TPC/NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL
205 AM EDT MON 09 AUG 2004

TROPICAL WEATHER DISCUSSION FOR NORTH AMERICA...CENTRAL
AMERICA...GULF OF MEXICO...CARIBBEAN SEA...NORTHERN SECTIONS
OF SOUTH AMERICA...AND ATLANTIC OCEAN TO THE AFRICAN COAST
FROM THE EQUATOR TO 32N. THE FOLLOWING INFORMATION IS BASED
ON SATELLITE IMAGERY...WEATHER OBSERVATIONS...RADAR...AND
METEOROLOGICAL ANALYSIS.

BASED ON 0000 UTC SURFACE ANALYSIS AND SATELLITE IMAGERY THROUGH
0515 UTC.

...SPECIAL FEATURES...
A 1013 MB LOW HAS DEVELOPED ALONG THE SURFACE TROF THAT EXTENDS
FROM 20N86W THROUGH THE YUCATAN CHANNEL TO 25N84W. THIS SYSTEM
IS THE REMNANT OF T.D. TWO AND HAS THE POTENTIAL FOR
REDEVELOPMENT. RADAR IMAGES FROM CANCUN MEXICO CONFIRM THE
SATELLITE PRESENTATION WITH ROTATION NOTED IN THE YUCATAN
CHANNEL. SYSTEM APPEARS TO BE IN A LOW SHEAR ENVIRONMENT AS IT
ENTERS THE SE GULF TONIGHT. SCATTERED MODERATE/STRONG CONVECTION
COVERS THE AREA FROM 19N-23N BETWEEN 84W-88W.


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Bonnie???? [Re: Anonymous]
      #18159 - Mon Aug 09 2004 02:30 AM

if the low stays together for a few more hrs.....we will have bonnie by the 5:30....if not that, at the latest 11:30edt

wonder if the 1800Z recon will be bumped up?


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Re: Bonnie???? [Re: Anonymous]
      #18160 - Mon Aug 09 2004 02:33 AM

Not at A 1013 MB preesure to high for a TS, maybe a TD.

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Re: Bonnie???? [Re: Anonymous]
      #18161 - Mon Aug 09 2004 02:37 AM

T-numbers for the system are now up to 2.0/2.0, so we may well have a TD at the next advisory.

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Re: Bonnie???? [Re: James88]
      #18162 - Mon Aug 09 2004 02:55 AM

I wouldn't watch the pressure too closely. I know that's what we normally do. Alex formed up a pretty mean storm at near to sea level pressures. All the pressures in the GMX that I've seen are around 30.00in hg, or about 1015.9mb.
Lowest pressure observation, within 350nm of storm center, was from a ship at 22.6N 87.5W- 1014.0mb E winds at 18.1kts at 0600Z.

Edited by danielw (Mon Aug 09 2004 02:59 AM)


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Re: Bonnie???? [Re: danielw]
      #18163 - Mon Aug 09 2004 03:18 AM

0615Z IR channel2 shows a large area with lightning covering the Northern semi-circle of the storm cluster.
http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/PS/TROP/DATA/RT/GMEX/IR2/20.jpg


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Re: Bonnie???? [Re: danielw]
      #18164 - Mon Aug 09 2004 03:37 AM

Both systems now have the support of the GFDL model. It takes the former TD into western Florida as a hurricane and then has it moving up towards Long Island.

Hurricane Bonnie?

It also takes 93L through the Caribbean as a hurricane.

Hurricane Charley?

This is shaping up to be a very interesting week!


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Re: Bonnie???? [Re: James88]
      #18165 - Mon Aug 09 2004 03:57 AM

Goodness, look at the loop of the GOM on NHC!!! The last two hours and all of a sudden we have what looks serious on our hands. I mean it's really gotten it's act together in the last say three hours. Anyone else up at this hour and agree. Maybe I just need some sleep!

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Re: Bonnie???? [Re: WeatherNLU]
      #18166 - Mon Aug 09 2004 04:00 AM

OK, I just watched again and dang! It's certainally there and I'm not sleeping.

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Re: Bonnie???? [Re: WeatherNLU]
      #18167 - Mon Aug 09 2004 04:05 AM

OK, I know this is getting repetitive, but I am talking to myself. If that's not at least a TD again I better find a new profession, because I'd bet my bottom dollar that we have Bonnie.

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Re: Bonnie???? [Re: WeatherNLU]
      #18168 - Mon Aug 09 2004 04:10 AM

I have to agree with you, the system is looking quite good this morning. It would be surprising if we didn't get a classified system by this evening.

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Re: Bonnie???? [Re: James88]
      #18169 - Mon Aug 09 2004 04:24 AM

Hey I am not talking to myself at this god awful hour. Couldn't agree more James. Very impressive looking, I might be jumping the gun, but just from my eye it's already Bonnie. Of course I'd love to have some pressure and wind readings from that area to verify, but taking into account simply the presentation, I'd say we have something.

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Re: Bonnie???? [Re: WeatherNLU]
      #18170 - Mon Aug 09 2004 06:00 AM

You're not dreaming. I think we will have a Bonnie by tonight. Very impressive system on radar.

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Hey I am not talking to myself at this god awful hour. Couldn't agree more James. Very impressive looking, I might be jumping the gun, but just from my eye it's already Bonnie. Of course I'd love to have some pressure and wind readings from that area to verify, but taking into account simply the presentation, I'd say we have something.




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Re: Bonnie???? [Re: LadyStorm]
      #18171 - Mon Aug 09 2004 06:39 AM


Here is the satellite link.
http://www.tnrcc.state.tx.us/updated/air/monops/data/satellite/GOES/GULF/ir/latest.jpeg
http://rsd.gsfc.nasa.gov/goeseast/hurricane/color/0000_latest.jpg

Edited by Ed Dunham (Mon Aug 09 2004 07:55 PM)


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Re: Bonnie???? [Re: danielw]
      #18172 - Mon Aug 09 2004 07:06 AM

This system looks like a TS to the nude eye! Who has the statistics on this one?(Yucatan) There appears to be banding and the tail is as well formed as ole Alex had.Uh oh here I am talking about animals again. I know this one will make it to the other forum. But really. IF this is Bonnie, we do not have much time to ooh and aww over it until it gets some one.

Edited by Ed Dunham (Mon Aug 09 2004 07:56 PM)


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