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Hurricane Ivan to Melee with Jamaica
      #24961 - Fri Sep 10 2004 04:43 PM

Jim Williams and his Hurricane City Broadcast from 8PM till 11PM and running radio from Jamaica at other times... -- Link to Real Audio -- updated!
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8PM Update
Hurricane Winds are up to 150MPH at 8PM, pressure is 926mb. Jamaica is in its sights. Many have not evacuated there (From radio reports) so the chance of loss of life is high. It's getting too late to do so now as winds are starting to pick up there. Good luck Jamaica!
Jamaica News
CocoLaPalm, Negril, Jamaica Webcam

7PM Update
Recond has found a pressure reading of 927 MB, down from the 937 at the 5PM advisory, which indicates Ivan is gaining strength.

Original Update
Hurricane Ivan remains a category 4 system as it approaches Jamaica, the current forecast keeps it a Category 4 as it nears the coast. The eye of Ivan looked ragged earlier today, but now it has shown itself again so it may strengthen again. The wind speed, however, is down slightly to 140MPH. Ivan has slowed a little so it may be overnight before Jamaica sees the worst of it. And the forecast track has Ivan going in along the western edge of Jamaica, leaving the northeast side (usually the worst side of the storm) to go across most of Jamaica.



To those in Jamaica, again prayers and best of luck go to you. This will be the strongest storm you have dealt with directly in many years.



After Jamaica, Hurricane Ivan is still expected to cross into Cuba and near the west coast of Florida. Unfortunately, even at 5PM, the future track beyond 5PM is uncertain. The official track is the same as earlier, and the National Hurricane Center mentions a possibility that they may shift their track west a bit tonight, which would mean more for the panhandle and for the other northern Gulf coast states.

Again this graphic is prone to large error.


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Re: Hurricane Ivan to Melee with Jamaica [Re: MikeC]
      #24965 - Fri Sep 10 2004 04:47 PM

Thanks for the new thread, Mike. You must be breaking your back to keep this site up and running. I had one time I got knocked off but that was it.

Pray for Jamaica.

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Re: Hurricane Ivan to Melee with Jamaica [Re: MikeC]
      #24966 - Fri Sep 10 2004 04:48 PM

Stupid question, how do you get the discussions, maps, etc... a half hour before its on the website? I see the weatherunderground stuff, but I don't like there maps..
Thanks,


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Re: Hurricane Ivan to Melee with Jamaica [Re: Cane Watcher]
      #24968 - Fri Sep 10 2004 04:50 PM

Try this one. You can enlarge all of the images and it's about as quick with reports as Weather Underground.

http://www.boatus.com/hurricanes/tracking.asp


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Re: Hurricane Ivan to Melee with Jamaica [Re: alley]
      #24971 - Fri Sep 10 2004 04:53 PM

Thanks, for the great link. Just curiousl if there was a email service from the NHC or not.

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THANK YOU ALL [Re: MikeC]
      #24972 - Fri Sep 10 2004 04:54 PM

Thank you MikeC and everyone here who makes this site and these discussions possible.
It certainly beats watching the Weather Channel and scrolling snippets of news; it helps take the edge off the uncertainty.
So Thank you again!

And that also applies to all the great meteorologists who graciously donate their time and thoughts to the discussion!

Susie

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Re: Hurricane Ivan to Melee with Jamaica [Re: MikeC]
      #24973 - Fri Sep 10 2004 04:55 PM

Thanks Mike, all the work you do is greatly appreciated!

Looking at this 24 image loop, i'm thinking that Ivan is getting it's act together before hitting Jamaica, despite the NHC latests wind decrease.

http://www.ssec.wisc.edu/~rickk/ivan.html


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Re: Hurricane Ivan to Melee with Jamaica [Re: MikeC]
      #24974 - Fri Sep 10 2004 04:57 PM

Can some one tell me why hurricanes do not produce hail?


I know a dumb question but I have always wondered...


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Re: Hurricane Ivan to Melee with Jamaica [Re: Cane Watcher]
      #24975 - Fri Sep 10 2004 04:59 PM Attachment (341 downloads)

Yes, the NHC does offer to e-mail their advisories. However, my experience has been that they actually get to you much later, usually an hour or two after they are posted.

NHC E-Mails

By the way, here's a picture not many of you have seen that I think is pretty cool.


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Re: Hurricane Ivan to Melee with Jamaica [Re: MikeC]
      #24976 - Fri Sep 10 2004 05:00 PM

Ahhh.. is it just me or does the Ivan6.jpg in your post look like a pixelated jumble of pinks and reds and lavender????

Yes, I have alot of trouble telling some colors apart but this doesn't look anything like previous pics..

TY

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Re: Hurricane Ivan to Melee with Jamaica [Re: ShaggyDude]
      #24977 - Fri Sep 10 2004 05:01 PM

Is that a due north in the last few frames?

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Re: Hurricane Ivan to Melee with Jamaica [Re: MO stormspotter]
      #24979 - Fri Sep 10 2004 05:02 PM

The storm is a totally warm core system, unlike a cold frontal passage. You don't get the dry air punches, or the lower freezing levels seen in many hail storms.

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Re: Hurricane Ivan to Melee with Jamaica [Re: G8R]
      #24980 - Fri Sep 10 2004 05:03 PM

Quote:

Is that a due north in the last few frames?




err...NNW


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Re: Hurricane Ivan to Melee with Jamaica [Re: ShanaTX]
      #24981 - Fri Sep 10 2004 05:03 PM

I'm glad someone else is seeing that, because I thought it was all the Scotch I'm inhaling!

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Re: Hurricane Ivan to Melee with Jamaica [Re: G8R]
      #24982 - Fri Sep 10 2004 05:03 PM

The last few frames move it n a bit, but that may be a wobble.

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Re: Hurricane Ivan to Melee with Jamaica [Re: ShaggyDude]
      #24983 - Fri Sep 10 2004 05:04 PM

Looking at the WV loops it seems that the ridges have been stationary for the past few hours. As of right now I see Ivan tracking over or just to the south of Jamaica. It continues its WNW motion, eventually moving more NW'erly. I see it passing over or just west of the Isla de la Juventud and heading north along about 83.4W. Once it hits about 30N it starts moving more to the NE. Again this is with the current synoptic features in place, obviously things can, and probably will change before early next week. Shawn in reference to reading the WV loops and ridges/movement, etc. One reason it may look a certain way is because the WV loop map isn't a flat picture like a tracking map. It's more a snapshot of the globe, so looking at features on that and trying to relate them to what they would look like on a tracking map gets tricky sometimes. I don't know if that helps or not.

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E-mail advisories... [Re: Mozart]
      #24984 - Fri Sep 10 2004 05:05 PM

I use the WX-ATLAN mailing list from UIUC...

WX-ATLAN

You can get not only advisories, but recon, offshore forecasts, discos...lots of tropical stuff. Pretty much the fastest e-mail service I have found for tropical advisories...and I've tried them all.

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Re: Hurricane Ivan to Melee with Jamaica [Re: G8R]
      #24985 - Fri Sep 10 2004 05:05 PM

It does look like the last couple of frames have taken a rightward jog, but too early to tell if it is a turn. Overlaying the sat pic with the forecast position, it is ever so slightly NE of forecast position, but very close.

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Hail? [Re: GaryC]
      #24986 - Fri Sep 10 2004 05:06 PM

>>> Can some one tell me why hurricanes do not produce hail?

I do believe in some cases hail does come from hurricanes...but hurricanes can spawn tornadoes, which most certainly do produce hail.

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Re: Hurricane Ivan to Melee with Jamaica [Re: G8R]
      #24987 - Fri Sep 10 2004 05:07 PM

I love this loop: http://www.esl.lsu.edu/AOI/AOI1_wv_loop.html

It's a wobble to the North, for sure. If it holds, it will miss Jamaica to the North!? I've been hoping it would run over that 7500 foot high
mountain... Maybe it will after all.

Notice that Ivan is getting it's act back together again. Not much dry air training into the core like eariler. Bummer for Jamaica.

Edited by rule (Fri Sep 10 2004 05:11 PM)


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