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Re: Looks like a stall [Re: danielw]
      #61014 - Fri Oct 21 2005 08:57 PM

I know the tendancy is for everyone to jump on the apparant northerly motion, and the models. But I'm not convinced. REally until the storm enters the Gulf, conjecture anywhere along the coast probably belongs in the forecast lounge. but I'm thinking that it will still make landfall on the mainland of the Yucatan, and likely stall out over that part. To think otherwise would require a few hours of trends rather than a disrupted eyewall and wobbles.

So it's a bit early to claim it will miss the Yucatan. (I don't believe it will miss)


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Re: Looks like a stall *Killed -- Sent to Graveyard* [Re: MichaelA]
      #61018 - Fri Oct 21 2005 08:58 PM

hard to believe that when a storm goes 7 miles north and the eye has shunk so it does not look to have moved west and right away that means tampa when if you think about it that is less west so less north it has to go when it goes NE.


But anyway its not going fast anywhere at this moment its not moving.


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Re: Looks like a stall *Killed -- Sent to Graveyard* [Re: Rdietch]
      #61019 - Fri Oct 21 2005 09:00 PM

new GFDL !! http://bricker.met.psu.edu/~arnottj/cgi-...;hour=Animation

Edited by danielw (Fri Oct 21 2005 09:08 PM)


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Re: Looks like a stall [Re: MikeC]
      #61022 - Fri Oct 21 2005 09:02 PM

I agree Mike. I of course am concerned with an approach closer to Tampa, but I think we need more then just one run before we start thinking its coming further North. Its the same as a yesterday (or was it Wed?) when the models went nuts and everyone started thinking it was Mitch reborn. Lets wait for a few more model runs.

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Re: Looks like a stall *Killed -- Sent to Graveyard* [Re: MichaelA]
      #61023 - Fri Oct 21 2005 09:02 PM

I'm starting to think there really is some misalignment in the floater. In the 0015z image, Wilma movement almost due west. In the 0045 image, it moved back to where it was in the 2345z image, for a net zero movement.

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Re: Looks like a stall *Killed -- Sent to Graveyard* *Killed -- Sent to Graveyard* [Re: Rdietch]
      #61024 - Fri Oct 21 2005 09:02 PM

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Re: Looks like a stall *Killed -- Sent to Graveyard* [Re: ThirdRay]
      #61026 - Fri Oct 21 2005 09:05 PM

eh new GFDL is much northern...... then it's previous track

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Re: Wilma Crosses over Cozumel [Re: MikeC]
      #61028 - Fri Oct 21 2005 09:07 PM

AFTER SEEING THE NEW GFDL MODELS, ARE THOSE CAT 3 WINDS EFFECTING N. BROWARD COUNTY ALL THE WAY UP PAST BREVARD?????????

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Re: Looks like a stall *Killed -- Sent to Graveyard* [Re: willw]
      #61035 - Fri Oct 21 2005 09:10 PM

The new GDFL is a little more north but the eye is so huge in that run as it gets to the coast makes it look to cover Ft Myers to the Port.

Look at the largeness if the eye as it gets to the coast hence the more looking north of the Model but that model is on Weather Underground if you want to get a better look at it.


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Re: Wilma Crosses over Cozumel [Re: iuhoosiers]
      #61039 - Fri Oct 21 2005 09:11 PM

It appears the GFDL does not weaken as before. Also does not stall it. It continues to move it across tip of yucatan and out into GOM. probably why there is not much weakening in this model run

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Re: Wilma Crosses over Cozumel [Re: dolfinatic]
      #61043 - Fri Oct 21 2005 09:13 PM

as the storm moves closer and closer and then into the GOM we will start to get better and better runs off the models until they prob come into agreement and we can all know approx. where in fl this woman is gonna come ashore. i look forward to more model runs through the night and all day tomorrow
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Re: Wilma Crosses over Cozumel [Re: MikeC]
      #61048 - Fri Oct 21 2005 09:19 PM

ALL THE MODELS ARE LOOK TO BE BETWEEN SARASOTA AND KEY WEST, WHICH PUTS NAPLES IN THE MIDDLE. HOW ABOUT THE UKMET MODEL, THAT IS THE ONLY MODEL THAT BRUSHES THE YUCATAN, THIS MODEL'S PATH COULD BE RIGHT. REMEMBER THE HIGHEST WINDS FOR THIS STORM IS GOING TO BE AT AND TO THE SOUTH OF THE CENTER.

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GFDL [Re: dolfinatic]
      #61049 - Fri Oct 21 2005 09:19 PM

Since the GFDL has come up in the discussion.
All of the following assumption, ideas are based on the 18Z GFDL Model alone.

Notice two things about the 18Z run.
116kts prior to landfall and 104-106 after passing over the Peninsula.

This mean a CAT 2-3 over the Peninsula.
The last run of the GFDL indicates...AT THAT TIME, the Eye would pass NORTH of Lake Okeechobee.

This would be very similar to the Charley-'04 track but at not such a steep angle. This forecast track would place the Center off of the East FL Coast between Melbourne and Ft Pierce.

Now that's based on the 18Z GFDL Model. 50/ 50 chance of that track.~danielw


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Re: Wilma Crosses over Cozumel [Re: NewWatcher]
      #61050 - Fri Oct 21 2005 09:20 PM

Am I missing something, or does it appear that Wilma is rapidly degenerating? Cloud tops are warming; eye may be opening to the NW.

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Re: Wilma Crosses over Cozumel [Re: EMS]
      #61051 - Fri Oct 21 2005 09:22 PM

heres a look at the 18 z runs and the consensus at the top and some 12Z

http://moe.met.fsu.edu/cyclonephase/compare/05102118/M5.html

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Re: Looks like a stall *Killed -- Sent to Graveyard* [Re: ThirdRay]
      #61052 - Fri Oct 21 2005 09:23 PM

I agree and disagree. Tampa is a central location as easily to plot. I spent the last 4 years on the east coast and basically I felt the same way... I lived in New Smyrna Beach for the first two years and then the last two years where spent in Deland. I purchased a home in Deland and never thought a storm would make a direct impact. Charlie proved us wrong....... Then every storm that hit florida seemed to hover overhead and take out anything that was left standing. People are scared and there are some here that have never been in this situation that like to voice their opinions and make people jump.... or react badly. This is the reality of the internet.....
Here is the reality of the storm....
It may or may not hit Tampa. It may or may not hit Sarasota. It may or may not hit Punta Gorda......
It is too early too tell and all we can do is make predictions, everyone is entitled to their own opinion, it is your job to decifier whom you choose to beleive.... If you feel you and your family may be in danger, then leave. Dont let anyone tell you otherwise, If you feel you want to wait, do so but if someone offers you a ride out of the cone, take it....
I am an IT Director and my job is to ensure that our data is offsite and safe in situations like this. Many times that means telling my family to go and I will catch up with them later, sometimes they think I am crying wolf. There is no crying wolf when a hurricane is approaching.....
Amazingly all of the ideas that were thrown around months ago that cost money seem like a good deal.
Why take a chance with your life ..? This storm may weaken and then she may pick back up. I am not going to put my family in a situation where we try out the new florida building codes. I want them out of the area altogether safe and sound. We can rebuild our house, we cannot rebuild our home with the loss of life.....
BTW I live in Sarasota now......

Edited by DeLandT (Fri Oct 21 2005 09:32 PM)


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Re: Wilma Crosses over Cozumel [Re: dolfinatic]
      #61053 - Fri Oct 21 2005 09:25 PM

Boy, I know its only one model run, but the 18Z GFDL is scary for Sarasota County residents. A CAT 3 storm with 120 mph winds smashing into Venice in 66-72 hrs. I don't like the trend in the models shifting north. It started with the GFS on yesterdays runs and continues today. The NOGAPS has been on and off shifting its track between Tampa and Ft Myers. It looks as though the new models are picking up on a slightly more amplified trough which would move Wilma more NE rather than E-NE. If I look where Wilma has traveled the last 6 hours and where she is likely to go, the new GFDL seems to have it pretty close, with just a short run over the NE tip of the YP. All I've heard from the local TV METs and CNN too is that this storm is gonna weaken considerably over the YUC and only be a CAT 1 by the time it gets to FL. Right now, that doesn't look to pan out. There could be surprised people in Tampa tomorrow if the models and Wilma trend even slightly more northward.


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Re: Wilma Crosses over Cozumel [Re: EMS]
      #61054 - Fri Oct 21 2005 09:26 PM

I think that is more of a result of the interaction with the land mass. Yes, there is some weakening happening. That is expected.

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Re: GFDL [Re: danielw]
      #61056 - Fri Oct 21 2005 09:27 PM

Quote:

Since the GFDL has come up in the discussion.
All of the following assumption, ideas are based on the 18Z GFDL Model alone.

Notice two things about the 18Z run.
116kts prior to landfall and 104-106 after passing over the Peninsula.

This mean a CAT 2-3 over the Peninsula.
The last run of the GFDL indicates...AT THAT TIME, the Eye would pass NORTH of Lake Okeechobee.

This would be very similar to the Charley-'04 track but at not such a steep angle. This forecast track would place the Center off of the East FL Coast between Melbourne and Ft Pierce.

Now that's based on the 18Z GFDL Model. 50/ 50 chance of that track.~danielw


I rest my case. I see said the blind person worried about Melbourne. BUT it will be ok. I have no doubt.

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Re: Wilma Crosses over Cozumel [Re: Ron Basso]
      #61057 - Fri Oct 21 2005 09:28 PM

Lee County has issued mandatory evacuations beginning Saturday at noon for mobile homes and all the barrier islands, which includes Captiva, Sanibel and Ft. Myers Beach. With more models trending northward, I'm starting to get a very very bad feeling about this.

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