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Hanna Landfall at the SC/NC Border, Ike Going West Southwest
      #84237 - Sat Sep 06 2008 12:12 PM

8PM Update

Ike looks to be taking the southerly route, back up to Category 4 strength, and still moving west southwest, it will likely make landfall in eastern Cuba and then eventually enter the Gulf, which means it is possible areas that Gustav hit will be affected once again. But the entire Gulf coast will want to watch it. Intensity wise, it is also uncertain how much it will be based on land interactions.


Original Update
Tropical Storm Hanna is inland over North Carolina after making landfall at the NC/SC border, and it is racing North Northeast right now at 22MPH. It will affect Virginia and the coastal Northeast US before moving out to sea.

Hurricane Ike's forecast has moved south, perhaps skirting the northern coast of Cuba, or actually crossing Cuba before winding up in the Gulf. Which would unfortunately be another land falling hurricane on Cuba this year.

Since Ike is already a bit further south than projected, this looks the most likely situation. Which is better news for folks in Florida and the Keys, but the all clear is not ready yet.



None of the widely used tropical forecasting models have it crossing anywhere in Florida now, at least from the east or south side. It's too early to determine what will occur in the Gulf, although it is likely to wind up in the Central to Eastern Gulf next week, possibly close to Florida West coast, as the GFDL shows this morning, or further west in the Gulf.


Parts of Florida remain in the cone, so it is worth keeping an eye on, but the concern for the east coast of Florida is much much less than a day ago. And it will likely be close enough to the keys to cause watches or warnings and some Ike effects could be felt there.

Josephine was torn apart by shear and now has dissipated, and is no longer being tracked.

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Re: Hanna Landfall at the SC/NC Border, Ike Going West Southwest Florida Threat Less Likely [Re: MikeC]
      #84239 - Sat Sep 06 2008 12:23 PM

latest GFDL has a major hurricane running up the west coast of FL...models continue to bounce east and west...there are too many variables right now 5 days out..a weak trough means Ike goes towards the central Gulf, a strong one puts the west coast of the peninsula in play...Ikes speed over the next 2 days is critical....everyone from the keys to TX need to pay attention.....

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Re: Hanna Landfall at the SC/NC Border, Ike Going West Southwest Florida Threat Less Likely [Re: pcola]
      #84243 - Sat Sep 06 2008 12:59 PM

It's very important that everyone in the CONE pay close attention.Ike is still way to the SE of Florida,many things can happen.There is a reason why they put out a cone,and this cone covers almost 700 miles by day 5.This is a good time to remember Charlie.The black line had Charlie going into Tampa,but it took a sharp right turn and slammed Punta Gorta.Punta Gorta WAS in the cone.

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Re: Hanna Landfall at the SC/NC Border, Ike Going West Southwest Florida Threat Less Likely [Re: MikeC]
      #84246 - Sat Sep 06 2008 01:05 PM

MODEL DIAGNOSTIC DISCUSSION
NWS HYDROMETEOROLOGICAL PREDICTION CENTER CAMP SPRINGS MD
100 AM EDT SAT SEP 06 2008

MODEL INITIALIZATION...

...SEE NOUS42 KWNO ADMNFD FOR STATUS OF UPPER AIR INGEST...

IKE...
A CROSS-SECTION OF THE ECMWF LOOKING AT POTENTIAL VORTICITY SHOWS
A TYPICAL HURRICANE. HOWEVER...THE GFS APPEARS TO HAVE THE SYSTEM TOO TILTED/SHALLOW AT INITIALIZATION...WHICH DOES NOT IMPROVE APPRECIABLY EVEN 108 HOURS INTO ITS FORECAST. THIS DEPTH PROBLEM COULD IMPACT ITS TRACK LATE IN THE SHORT RANGE...AND INTO THE MEDIUM RANGE PERIOD.

IKE...
THE NAM HAS TRENDED SOUTHWEST WITH THIS SYSTEM OVER ITS PAST DAY OF RUNS. THE ECMWF IS IN THE MIDDLE OF THE SPREAD SEEN DURING ITS PAST COUPLE DAYS OF RUNS. THE GFS HAS TRENDED WEST-SOUTHWEST WITH THIS SYSTEM OVER ITS PAST 36 HOURS OF RUNS...BUT SOME OF THIS COULD BE RELATED TO THE PROBLEMS WITH ITS INITIAL DEPTH NOTED IN THE INITIALIZATION SECTION ABOVE.

MODEL DIFFERENCES AND PREFERENCES...

IKE...
THE CANADIAN IS THE MOST NORTHEAST WITH THIS SYSTEM...WHILE THE GFS/ECMWF MOVE THE SYSTEM INTO CENTRAL CUBA LATE SUNDAY. MODEL TRENDS SUGGEST AN ECMWF-LIKE SOLUTION WOULD BE PREFERRED DUE TO
ITS BETTER CONTINUITY AND THE GFS/NAM TRENDS TOWARDS THIS
SOLUTION. HOWEVER...THE GFS HAS PROBLEMS WITH ITS INITIALIZATION THAT COULD BE CONTAMINATING ITS FORECAST SOLUTION EARLY NEXT WEEK. A FASTER RENDITION OF THE 00Z CANADIAN...OR NORTHWARD VERSION OF THE FS/ECMWF...WOULD BE MOST SIMILAR TO THE ONGOING NHC FORECAST


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Re: Hanna Landfall at the SC/NC Border, Ike Going West Southwest Florida Threat Less Likely [Re: pcola]
      #84247 - Sat Sep 06 2008 01:06 PM

Very interesting! The shear must have been relaxed quite a lot. The outflow has improved quite much and the convection is much stronger, especially in the northwestern half. The last microwave pass has revealed the surprise: Ike has formed a complete second outer wall and there is obviously the first eyewall replacement cycle starting! So at least no rapid intensification to expect in the face of the improved conditions!
And what becomes more and more obvious: Ike will make a first landfall in about 24 hours on Cuba. The question is: Will it stay close to oder over the northern coast or will it move for a long time more in the middle of Cuba. So weakening will be more or less significant, but modells also still show in any case a reintensification to a major hurricane in the Gulf. Conditions should be quite good for this.


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Re: Hanna Landfall at the SC/NC Border, Ike Going West Southwest Florida Threat Less Likely [Re: pcola]
      #84248 - Sat Sep 06 2008 01:09 PM

Could you post a link to that GFDL run please?

I assume the "major hurricane" is Ike?

I'm looking at Skeetobite and I don't see that at all - GFDL point towards the panhandle for IKE - do you have a newer version?

Post #3

I'm in the cone - should I evacuate now?

Thanks,

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      #84249 - Sat Sep 06 2008 01:15 PM

Based on the Model Discussion.
If the GFDL is run off of the GFS. And the GFS is having trouble initialising a CAT 3 Hurricane.
Then one could assume the GFDL might be a tad off in any direction.

Dirty data in equals dirty data out.


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Re: Hanna Landfall at the SC/NC Border, Ike Going West Southwest Florida Threat Less Likely [Re: GLT]
      #84250 - Sat Sep 06 2008 01:16 PM

Quote:

Could you post a link to that GFDL run please?

http://my.sfwmd.gov/portal/page?_pageid=3194,21328260,3194_21169354:3194_21260388:3194_21260861&_dad=portal&_schema=PORTAL


What's keeping Ike to the south? Is there a image that shows this?

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Re: Hanna Landfall at the SC/NC Border, Ike Going West Southwest Florida Threat Less Likely [Re: smorse22]
      #84253 - Sat Sep 06 2008 01:27 PM

That appears to be a link to HANNA runiing up the EAST US coast.

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Re: Hanna Landfall at the SC/NC Border, Ike Going West Southwest Florida Threat Less Likely [Re: GLT]
      #84255 - Sat Sep 06 2008 01:31 PM

Click on storm 9 on top of the page

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Re: Models [Re: danielw]
      #84256 - Sat Sep 06 2008 01:32 PM

Quote:

Based on the Model Discussion.
If the GFDL is run off of the GFS. And the GFS is having trouble initialising a CAT 3 Hurricane.
Then one could assume the GFDL might be a tad off in any direction.

Dirty data in equals dirty data out.




A G-IV {up level air analysis) mission would be very helpful with all of the model runs. The greater the data and the better the data the better the models run.


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Re: Hanna Landfall at the SC/NC Border, Ike Going West Southwest Florida Threat Less Likely [Re: smorse22]
      #84258 - Sat Sep 06 2008 01:38 PM

OK - I see - looking on storm 9 on the SFWMD mud page and then the GFDL track (thanks - looks a little newer than Skeetobite) - yep it's now a little close to Tampa later - way too scary!!

Thanks again,

GLT

EDIT: It should be noted that the GFDL is by FAR the closest to Tampa than ANY other model - probably for the good reasons posted above.

Edited by GLT (Sat Sep 06 2008 01:46 PM)


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Re: Hanna Landfall at the SC/NC Border, Ike Going West Southwest Florida Threat Less Likely [Re: GLT]
      #84261 - Sat Sep 06 2008 02:04 PM

The weather channels Dr. Steve Lyons was talking about this being a Fl event from the panhandle along the west coast of florida. They're are expecting it to turn to the right once in the gulf because of a trough. Better keep a eye on this one. I don't want to see another Charley!

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Re: Hanna Landfall at the SC/NC Border, Ike Going West Southwest [Re: MikeC]
      #84262 - Sat Sep 06 2008 02:11 PM

The steering current are already starting to change to a move zonal flow and relax in intensity see 9 Hours TC Previous Steering Layer : 300-850 hPa TC MSLP : 950-969 hPa 0200

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Steering Layer : 300-850 hPa
TC MSLP : 950-969 hPa

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Re: Hanna Landfall at the SC/NC Border, Ike Going West Southwest Florida Threat Less Likely [Re: smorse22]
      #84263 - Sat Sep 06 2008 02:15 PM

Lyons is saying it's a west coast of Florida event, when NONE of the models are pointing toward the west coast of Florida right now? Interesting. I'd say Texas is just as likely as the west coast of Florida right now, given the model trends toward the west.

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Re: Hanna Landfall at the SC/NC Border, Ike Going West Southwest [Re: CDMOrlando]
      #84264 - Sat Sep 06 2008 02:16 PM

I have a question and I am not sure where to post it. Why would the NHC put an Atlantic floater on a system that is in the Pacific?? They have two floaters on Invest 99E. I have never seen them do that before.

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Re: Hanna Landfall at the SC/NC Border, Ike Going West Southwest Florida Threat Less Likely [Re: Hugh]
      #84268 - Sat Sep 06 2008 02:46 PM

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Lyons is saying it's a west coast of Florida event, when NONE of the models are pointing toward the west coast of Florida right now? Interesting. I'd say Texas is just as likely as the west coast of Florida right now, given the model trends toward the west.




Here is a link to some more recent model runs. They appear to be shifting back towards the Florida peninsula.

http://www.hurricanecity.com/wx/index.ph...=tropsys640x480,tropimap_all&pn=1&ptm=&alt=tropinvestmap


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Re: Hanna Landfall at the SC/NC Border, Ike Going West Southwest Florida Threat Less Likely [Re: kromdog]
      #84269 - Sat Sep 06 2008 02:56 PM

Read the NHC 11:00 AM Discussion, they say it is too early to tell if the storm will turn north and parallel the western Florida coast. Dr Lyons as many keep saying Florida, but they should be saying The Keys, extreme southern Florida and possibly the west coast of Florida.

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Re: Hanna Landfall at the SC/NC Border, Ike Going West Southwest Florida Threat Less Likely [Re: Lee-Delray]
      #84273 - Sat Sep 06 2008 03:03 PM

Ok Dr Lyons could be right about a western florida event, but he just speculated and thats all anything is after 3 days out. First off the 6z run shifted east. We need consistant runs showing the same thing and with models converging on a specific area. Now with that said, models are good (especially the GFDL up to 72hrs), for up to 120hrs is a basic idea and can change( as told in the days 4,5 uncertainty cone). After 120hrs just dont even bother really unless you just want to see where it might go.(For Entertainment).

So by saying all this, just watch for consistancy and converging of the models up to 72hrs. Days 4,5 have a better chance of changing, and after that, dont take it for granted.!


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Re: Hanna Landfall at the SC/NC Border, Ike Going West Southwest Florida Threat Less Likely [Re: scottsvb]
      #84274 - Sat Sep 06 2008 03:08 PM

Why do they even bother using the CLP5 model? That thing ALWAYS hooks hard to the right in the early runs. It's done it for pretty much every storm this season.

From the growing trend I'm seeing on most of the models as well as the NHC's official track, I'm still thinking that LA/AL/MI and even parts of TX should be keeping a really close eye on this thing. Every series of runs lately has been pulling it farther away from the west Fl coast (Keys are still well into the danger zone, however) and toward the Gulf Coast.

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